Wingnut druggie Kelsey GRAMMER sez new show for "family = man, woman, kids"

[UTUSN]

He was telling Diane SAWYER that he realized in recent years that "Not since COSBY" had there been "a FAMILY show, with a man, a woman, and their kids," and that everywhere he went in the country he would encounter people who told him, "They don't make t.v. for people like us anymore." So, he sez, his new jams'n'jellies show "IS FOR THEM." Oh. O.K.

Then they ran a clip that started with a lame riff on "Yes, we can!1" His character was supposedly trying to motivate the kids and said that, and they told him he couldn't use it "because that belongs to OBAMA," and he said that OBAMA doesn't own it, and they said, "He's the president," and he said HE could be president, too, and they said no he couldn't, and he said ------------GET THIS: "What do you mean?!1 This is America!1 A rich, White man can be president, too!1"

Uh, so much for representing the common humans.



Then Diane cooed over his heart attack or condition. He said it's rough learning to accept that the old heart muscle is not reliable. Uh, might that old COCAINE have something to do with it, ya'THINK, Kelsey ol'boy!1

[Xipe Totec]

1. Shows with a man, a woman, and their kids:

Malcolm in the middle
The Simpsons
Family Guy
American Dad

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

5. Also....

George Lopez Show
According to Jim
Grounded For Life
My Wife and Her Kids
Bernie Mac Show
Roseanne



Dr Crane is an idiot.

[imdjh]

11. Yeah really- this from the man who made a fortune from the longest running gay sitcom in history.

Oh yes, I said it. Frasier was about a gay couple, Niles and Frasier. A nelly queeny stereotypical gay male couple with a couple of neurotic fag hags, and a tough broad for props and set ups.

[dgibby]

33. They weren't a gay couple. They were brothers. n/t

[imdjh]

36. Clever, wasn't it?

[Mike Daniels]

21. Out of the three groups that comprise "Modern Family" on ABC (new show)

Two of them have a husband, a wife and children.

So, it's not like there aren't any shows this "new" TV seson that don't still show the "traditional" family.

[izquierdista]

25. Intervention

I haven't seen an episode yet where Fucked-up-basket-case was in the room with just himself and the interventionist. That's kind of the point of the show -- family has to convince you to get treatment.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

10. "Home Improvement" can join the list

Great show.

[BlueMTexpat]

+1! n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

34. Everybody loves Raymond

Family Matters
Prince of Bel air
Step By Step
You Take the Kids
The Jeff Foxworthy Show
Hi! Honey, I'm Home
Yes, Dear
8 Simple Rules


I'm sure there's more. What a maroon.

[Ian David]

13. Moral Orel. n/t

[berni_mccoy]

39. I can see why he wouldn't appreciate those last three. They are actually quite progressive.

Remember the Family Guy episode where Peter messes up the past and the present day suddenly has Gore as president and all the problems have been solved. Brian tries to convince him not to go back and correct the time line.

:rofl:

[TlalocW]

2. I hope he wears crazy sweaters

And does a lot of mugging for the camera like Cosby did.

TlalocW

[Barack_America]

3. Fuck that man, I miss "My Two Dads".

Now that was a show.

[ccharles000]

4. ...

According to Jim
The Addams Family
The Brothers Garcia
Drake & Josh

[peekaloo]

6. Will this show be a bigger (s)hit than the one he did with fellow

cretin Patricia Heaton?

*wankersmilie*

[KittyWampus]

27. He and Heaton made a show together?

[peekaloo]

30. LOL it made such an impression.

Yes it was for FOX (surprise). can't remember the name but they played characters who worked for a TV newsroom.

[imdjh]

7. I love it when conservatives complain that there aren't any Christians on TV shows

Then you give them a list of the devout characters on TV, and they aren't satisfied. I guess it just doesn't register with them that no one wants to watch people sitting in church, anymore than we want to watch families on TV watching TV. Which brings us to why TV shows aren't normal- it's boring to watch.

Hell, even when my life was exciting, 90% of it was boring. Would you rather watch me iron shirts or get arrested at 4 am?

[UTUSN]

8. LOL!1 - Ode to my faithfully stalking UnReKKKer!1

Dear One,

Guess what, not EVERY thread posted is worth EITHER a Rec OR an UnReKKK!1 And I myself said many times during the Great Debate on UnReKKK that I never look at the Greatest Page and regard it mostly as a tool for Visitors, like media types, who don't have the time to delve through the entrails of DU, but how I DO a lot of Rec-ing (obviously, for OTHERS), both for merit and to keep worthy topics from falling through the cracks.

Ah, you DISAPPROVE of thread after thread!1 Woe, WOE is you, YOU!1 Kisses to make your sour woe all better for you --actually, NOT!1

[KittyWampus]

28. It isn't you, there are a small # of DU'ers who un-recommend every thread.

[sinkingfeeling]

9. What the hell was 'Everybody Loves Raymond' and 'Home Improvement'? That's just 2 that popped into

my mind. However, I will certainly skip his show's debut as well as Patrica Heaton's 'The Middle'.

[peekaloo]

14. anyone who wants to keep down their last meal should avoid her middle.

Oh, that's the name of a show. }(

[DefenseLawyer]

12. In this week's episode

Great American Dad misses his Great American Son's birthday party when he is arrested for drunk driving on his way home from a strip club. Hilarity ensues.

[zbdent]

15. How do we know he's off cocaine?

I mean, if the Repugniconvicts asked that about Obama, then why not apply that standard to the Repugniconvicts?

[Kolesar]

24. Its a disease; he deserves to be treated with compassion

I didn't know Kelsey Grammar was a "druggie" until I read this thread. Guess I don't spend enough time reading People Magazine (or National Enquirer).

[UTUSN]

26. Hey!1 Intel comes from ALL sources. CHEENEE taught us cherrypicking only tells what we WANT to hear.

And as I've posted a hundred or so times, "gossip" does not equate to "UNtruth."


But to your more serious smackdown about addiction being a disease, I honor that for persons who don't practice hypocrisy.

[imdjh]

37. Not in my opinion, and I'm a former user.

It was a stupid, self indulgent, and selfish behavior which made me virtually worthless to friends and family for awhile, but it was not a disease. Diseases don't go away because you ran out of money and decided to stop being diseased.

[zbdent]

38. yeah, thank that damned "liberal media" for keeping a conservative/Repugniconvict down ...

for endlessly repeating the fact that he's been arrested at least twice for cocaine possession, along with other problems (and divorces ...)

I mean, it's not like he went to the same church as a man who said "God Damn the United States" ... which you NEVER heard about from the "liberal media" ...

and it's not like he represented an agency which registers voters which in one of their many offices some employee (of hundreds) got caught on tape explaining how to creatively describe a career choice of prostitution ... which, again, you NEVER heard about from the "liberal media" ...

Oh, for the record ... :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

I think I could be tied to Kevin Bacon in less jumps than Obama honestly can be tied to that corruption ...

[Segami]

16. "IS FOR THEM."?? Excuse me while I toss my cookies.

What he's NOT telling everyone or should I rephrase that and say what everyone DOESN'T seem to comprehend reading in between his bullshit is that this WINGNUT is in it for HIMSELF!! Its NOT FOR US but for HIM getting RICHER and sustaining his TV career longer while mopping up all those re-run royalties.

:puke:

[peekaloo]

17. he's playing a "former" corporate baron who has lost his money.

WE all can relate to that scenario. :eyes: ABC should rename the series "Wank".

[baldguy]

18. Another "family values" Republican.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelsey_Grammer#Family

"Grammer has been married three times. His first marriage, to dance instructor Doreen Alderman, lasted from 1982 to 1990. They had one daughter, Spencer Grammer (born October 9, 1983), an actress on the CBS Daytime soap opera As the World Turns and the ABC Family show Greek.

His second marriage, to stripper Leigh-Anne Csuhany in 1992, lasted one year. Grammer says that she was abusive and that, after talk of divorce, she attempted suicide, which resulted in the miscarriage of their child. During this marriage, Grammer had a daughter out of wedlock, Greer Kandace (born February 15, 1992), with hair and makeup stylist Barrie Buckner.

Grammer has been married since August 1997 to Camille Donatacci, a former Playboy model. They have a daughter, Mason Olivia (born October 24, 2001), and a son, Jude Gordon (born August 28, 2004), both born via surrogate mother. Grammer and Donatacci have homes in Malibu, California; Colorado; and New York. Also, they have a holiday home on Maui."

[ThoughtCriminal]

19. Just wait until the Entire Series is available

All 13 episodes, including 8 that were never aired, is available on one DVD. Look for it in 2011 at Dollar Tree.

[no_hypocrisy]

20. What a quaint concept.

[Ikonoklast]

22. And strippers. Lots and lots of strippers.

Kelsey luvs him some strippers.


He's a typical Hollywood hypocrite.

I find it difficult to take any actor seriously on any subject; republican or democrat.

So few walk the walk.

[slampoet]

23. Kelsey is right. They don't make shows for coke addicts anymore.

[WeekendWarrior]

29. You Know...

... I haven't seen the interview in question, but I see nothing wrong with his statement, no matter what his politics are. Was he really suggesting that something is wrong with any other type of family or was he merely making a truthful statement? From what little television I see, it seems that sitcoms are generally about young singles and dysfunctional relationships. Which, of course, is what makes for good comedy.

So, on the face of it, Grammer's statement is fairly innocuous. As is the clip they ran.

Honestly, we don't have to read politics into everything we watch.

[UTUSN]

32. As other posters have documented, his porning and drugging contrast with what he claims to champion

His mulitiple marriages, the abuse of self and others.


True, he is an ACTOR, which means assuming a persona other than one's own, but on these interview shows he is putting forward to the public what he claims is his TRUE self, and it is not what he lives.

[WeekendWarrior]

42. He wasn't championing himself

He was championing a show. Of course he's going to talk it up and point out how it's unusual among sitcoms these days. He wants people to watch. And maybe BECAUSE of his past, his comments make sense. But, really, do we have to turn a guy's pitching of a sitcom into some kind of political statement?

This is exactly the kind of thing the right does -- making a mountain out of absolutely nothing. There isn't a terrorist hiding behind every bush, guys. And not everything a right winger says is politically motivated.

He's paid to promote a show and that's what he's doing.

[UTUSN]

51. I long ago learned here that when a "debater" starts REPEATING, IGNORING the replies,

CHANGING the framing (now it's "what the Right does, mountain/molehill"), and RAISING DISTRACTIONS ----these are signs there is NO discussion going on, there is NO listening going on, there is just NO point.

I didn't say he was "championing himself". I said he was portraying himself as the champion of those "values people". Now, he presents himself, his image does, as a very stereotypical dude---the clothes, the haircut, the speech pattern, the dialect. For example, he's not the image of a "Reefer Madness" type dude. And those "values people" are somehow identifying with him, or with his clean cut image, that is. Get it?

And he made it clear that he himself SELECTED the theme of the new show, that he presented the "man/woman/kids" themes to writers BEFORE anything was written, and it was all tailored to his specifications, so it's not like he is just a paid stooge for a random project.

I won't reply after this (unless it gets outrageous), but hypocrisy on big, moral, societal issues is *not* a molehill!1 S'long!1

[WeekendWarrior]

54. Nothing has changed. No distractions have been raised.

What the man said was innocuous and, as I've noticed around here during my months of lurking, the knee-jerk squad is once again in force, reading between the lines when there's nothing to read.

I see no hypocrisy in what has been posted of Grammar's interview. Maybe you saw the whole thing, but based on what I take from the quotes in the OP, any hypocrisy is being read into his statement by those who (rightly so) find his politics abhorrent. And once you start doing that, you're no better than the other side.

But I guess I'll concede to one of your points. Truth CAN be a distraction.

[UTUSN]

56. I forgot to list DENIAL as one of the signs of flaming.

I gave you EXAMPLES of each of the things I listed, and here you are DENYING that any of that is evident in your post, then you set about REPEATING what you had said before in this post.

If YOU aren't seeing it, almost everybody ELSE does.

[WeekendWarrior]

57. Then I assume you aren't seeing it? nt

[Starry Messenger]

31. I guess I missed all those gay family sitcoms dominating the airwaves.

What TV is *them* watching?

[and-justice-for-all]

35. What a load of shit!

"They don't make t.v. for people like us anymore." What the fuck ever!

[frylock]

40. breaking bad has a husband, wife, and a son

[SoCalDem]

48. and a baby ..and a meth-cooking young protege

who is like a son to him :)

[WI_DEM]

41. I liked "Fraiser" but he also had a superb supporting cast around him, I doubt this show will be

nearly as good.

[proteus_lives]

43. No thanks Kelsey, I'll stick with my Fraiser re-runs.

D-bag or not, still one of my favorite sitcoms.

[Initech]

44. The only time I ever liked him was as Sideshow Bob.

But man I *HATE* these traditionalists who think they're being threatened by modern society. :puke:

[ima_sinnic]

45. no mention here of Wife Swap and Dog the Bounty Hunter

Two high-quality shows full of "that kind" of family :eyes:

[BlueIdaho]

46. Why do I keep imagining

Kelsey and the Drugster in a sweaty, hairy, trembling, greco-roman embrace?

[Generator]

47. Damn right!

And Dexter (everyone's fav serial killler with a heart of gold) is a Daddy now too. New season every sunday on Showtime. Now, that's family drama.

[SoCalDem]

49. Did you SEE it this week? Where did the body go?

I KNEW he was going to screw up because he was so tired ..can't wait til next week

[TommyO]

59. Whenever there's an ending like that, I scream "NO" at the TiVo

I want more, and the end credits are being displayed.

[TommyO]

58. Beat me to it!

It's one of my favorites, and now he's an upstanding, heterosexual, married with a kid of his own, and two step-kids. How wonderfully normal and wholesome.

[Pharlo]

50. "family = a man + a woman and their kids"

Yeah, I miss "Married with Children" too.

[imdjh]

52. The Sopranos were an intact family, were they not? And Catholic no less.

And it was a huge success.

[MurrayDelph]

53. If the show is every bit as good as the example joke

there should be no problem getting Jordan Hinson back to Eureka in time for next season.

[mitchum]

55. "People like us"? Who is that...bald, scenery-chewing cokeheads?

[Love Bug]

60. He's the exec producer for Medium!

Sure, Medium is about a psychic, but she's a mother and wife and she and her husband have three daughters. Their family life is central to the show, so I don't get what Grammer is talking about.

[Curtland1015]

61. Meh, it's a cute joke.

The show sounds harmless and Kelsey is a moron, but does anyone really care about KG anymore?

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

62. It gets me that Patricia Heaton and Grammer are getting another

shows. I mean, how many chances do they get to fail. You would almost think that someone somewhere is keeping them in the public eye for a reason, especially now that they are on ABC, and formerly FOX.

[UTUSN]

63. *Inadvertantly* I actually SAW the freakin' thing tonight!1

It has ZERO relation to *any* people *I* know, but that's just me: I don't know any people of ALL stripes that he, apparently, knows.