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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:19 AM
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Is vengeance unjust?
If so, then we must release from prison all those who are currently imprisoned for having caused harm to others.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:20 AM
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1. oh dear. logic is not your strong suit I see.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:23 AM
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2. Vengeance is not the same as punishment.
Edited on Wed Sep-30-09 10:23 AM by tekisui
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:33 AM
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9. Vengance is not the same as justice, either.
Lots of reasons to lock someone up that do not include vengance.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:25 AM
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3. the dictionary is your friend nt
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:27 AM
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4. Only if they were imprisoned in vengeance.
If vengeance is the object, let's re-instate flogging? Howzat?

The purpose of incarceration is three-fold - to protect the public, to rehabilitate the offender, and to punish the offender. Your suggestion only makes sense if you ignore the first two purposes, and believe that punishment = vengeance.

Actually, vengeance has NOTHING to do with it. Vengeance is NOT justice.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:29 AM
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7. You'd have to allow the victims to do the flogging...
in order for it to be vengeance.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:27 AM
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5. delete (dupe)
Edited on Wed Sep-30-09 10:28 AM by LeftishBrit
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:27 AM
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6. People aren't in prison just for vengeance...
but for deterrence, and to protect others.

That being said, I think too many people are in prison for things that shouldn't land them there (e.g. drug taking); but if someone is a danger to others, they do need to be in prison.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:33 AM
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8. People are in prison to protect society from them and rehab.
It really isn't about vengeance.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 01:18 PM
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13. That sounds nice. But it isn't true.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 09:18 AM
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16. Not for you, maybe. But it is for society as a whole.
That is why there is such a thing as compassionate release - if someone is serving life, has rehabilitated in prison and is no longer a threat, and is suffering a terminal illness, most times that person will be released to die at home.

Of course, in high profile cases like Susan Atkins, people like you insist that their dying in pain is not sufficient.

Just remember, what is inflicted by you upon another will return to you ten fold. If you refuse to have compassion, you will be refused compassion.
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 09:29 AM
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17. I would also add: to protect them from society.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:34 AM
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10. Just to clarify, I was being sarcastic.
n/t
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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 01:12 PM
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11. Yes and I recommend that
they all stay at YOUR HOUSE.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 01:18 PM
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12. Yes it is unjust. But I'm not following the rest of your logic.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 01:22 PM
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14. vengeance is a sort of loaded word, but retribution is a part of justice.
Edited on Wed Sep-30-09 02:18 PM by aikoaiko
We in some way, we must "pay" for our crimes -- otherwise there will be no justice and no peace.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 01:47 PM
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15. Where are all those who defended Megrahi's release and favored ER for Susan Atkins?
I would have thought that those who voiced reservations about 'vengeance' in those threads would have taken a moment to comment here.
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