I have come to the conclusion that I don't think Obama is in charge

[Taverner]

Remember how Cheney said he still has folks in 'the company' that report to him, not the President?

Wonder why Obama can't get anything done - its not his fault. He's pulling every lever he knows and the car still won't start. Why is this?

Simple - he's not the one who's really in charge, and I think he's learning that right now.

Who is in charge? Hell if I know, but I know they aren't democratically elected and I know they do not have our best interests in mind.

Call me a crazy paranoid conspiracy guy - but tell me, in a democracy, why would it be so hard to do anything other than give $$$ to banks? Especially if something like Single Payer has the support in this country that it does.

[DrDan]

1. how do you know he's pulled every lever he knows

perhaps our expectations were set way too high. That is my guess.

[timeforpeace]

27. There's absolutely no way Obama is at fault or responsible for anything. Look elsewhere.

[DrDan]

29. oh brother . . . .

it's time we quit apologizing for these politicians - all of em - and start expecting them to live up to campaign promises.

The Dems have not delivered on any key changes - that includes congress and the WH. That should not be tolerated. Either they deliver as promised - or they should step aside.

[DireStrike]

37. It was sarcasm

Don't feel bad, I got caught by the same thing.

[DrDan]

42. don't you hate it when that happens. . . .

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. It's almost as if there are three separated powers in this country.

Or "branches" if you will.

It's all very suspicious.

[Champion Jack]

4. Crikey!!! You're right!!!

Damn..... all is lost......
all is lost.....
Waaaaaaaa

[BlooInBloo]

12. I think Obama made it that way because he's no different from bush.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. He does have that time machine, after all.

What with being a part of the Black Panthers, and the Weathermen, and Pancho Villa's gang and all.

[redqueen]

16. lol

[scheming daemons]

17. +100

[RKP5637]

3. Rupert Murdoch? n/t

[Barack_America]

5. The health care lobby isn't exactly a hidden force.

And Obama is not for single payer, didn't campaign on it and didn't promise it.

Now, if you want to talk about the Pentagon and CIA specifically, you may have an argument there.

[Sukie]

6. Ok, I will.

You are a crazy paranoid conspiracy guy. :)

[LuvNewcastle]

7. It's hard to get things done when

you follow the Constitution. We just spent 8 years with an out-of-control executive branch and a rubber stamp Congress. Obama is letting Congress make the laws. That's their job, and they do it very slowly and often very badly.

[JaneQPublic]

8. That was true when Chimpy was the prez...

that is, folks who reported to Cheney, not Bush.

No doubt there are a few right-leaning bureacrats in Washington and the Pentagon who are more apt to share their gossip and gripes with Cheney. But in all likelihood, people of that ilk are many rings away from the Inner Circle of power. Obama's hand-picked people work there, not Cheney's.

[sandnsea]

9. Yes there are business interests with more power

Than Congress and the White House combined. I thought everybody knew that. It's why it takes 100,000 of us to equal one of them.

[RKP5637]

30. Exactly!!! Excellent Point!!!

[BlooInBloo]

10. I know. I'm very, very disappointed that we don't have a dictatorship as well.

[uppityperson]

11. You mean he's a President, not a Dictator? Yup.

[Romulox]

20. We saw a swift, lock-step reaction when money was flying out the door to banksters.

Funny how there was so much unanimity on that issue, even as the public was strongly against it...

[Jakes Progress]

13. Tell the obvious truth and get labeled crazy.

People don't want to know this stuff.

[cali]

15. baloney. there's nothing obvious about this, but that it's obvious speculation, dear.

[Jakes Progress]

21. Okay. I speculate that the richest 1 %

of the country has more control over what happens than the bottom 70%.

That is what I took from the OP. When 65% of the country has said that they want a public option and it is still being debated, I think my speculation is pretty valid.

[cali]

22. that's not speculation about the future.

and if there's one thing I've learned in life it's that most people are persuadable and darned wishy washy. you can convince them of near anything.

[Jakes Progress]

39. Dropped a stitch?

What thread are you replying to? How does this post relate even remotely to the thread?

Are you disagreeing that the ultra rich have more say about what happens than the rest of us? If so, then say that instead of something wishy washy.

If, on the other hand, you've gotten tangled up in mass snark replies and just confused the issue, we understand.

[RKP5637]

31. Agree!!! Today we have the illusion of a democracy, but not a true democracy!

Corporate America and the top percentage of wealth rule this country. Money talks and has power!!! We just talk!!!

[omega minimo]

18. We had two stolen elections and Impeachment Off the Table. Where do we think we live now?

[Echo In Light]

26. Bingo

[Romulox]

19. Occam's Razor suggests Obama is doing precisely what he wants...

Look at the list of his contributors to find his motivations, not to a conspiracy theory.

[Echo In Light]

23. ...yeah, but that means there IS a 'conspiracy' of sorts to further dupe the public into abiding...

False perceptions of our supposed Rep Democracy

[Romulox]

24. Fair enough. Looking for a hidden bogey-man is itself a dupe. It's Pfizer, Aetna, Citi, AIG...

[Echo In Light]

25. Most of the Big CTs that people go bugfuck in denial over is simply Big Business doing business

Sure, there's plenty of religion and authoritarian leanings/ideology, but basically it's just the only way Big Biz can conduct itself outside the law while attempting to maintain the appearance of being moral, law abiding, and acting on behalf of The People's best interests.

[omega minimo]

40. Not that DU ever gets anywhere

near that level of dialogue (something related to discussion, which we can't get to either), at the center of your points is a big honking mess of sexism that makes the whole authoritarian sham possible and possible to encase in the hard, chocklitty shell of "moral, law abiding, blah blah blah.........." Good reason for real progressives to unburden themselves of the delusions and crude comforts of sexism and other bigotry.

:grouphug:

[d_b]

28. the president not in charge?

welcome to 1980

[TheKentuckian]

32. He's no less in charge than about any other President

My bar isn't where many have place theirs but I'm not buying into excusing away accountability with theories.

[Taverner]

33. Are you sure?

Republican Presidents seem to have carte blanche

They come in, and if folks aren't on board, they're fired

Democratic Presidents, it seems like most Fed Employees take a "optional" attitude to their orders

[951-Riverside]

34. I got that feeling when I watched interviews with General Stanley McChrystal

The General is making all of these demands on television and trying to paint the president as disconnected and incompetent. This is just unheard of.

[mopinko]

35. he should get the general mac arthur treatment.

he does need to take the military down a peg, imho.

[branders seine]

36. this is why so many of us (those who aren't ultra-right-wingers anyway)

end up disappointed in our elected leaders.

It's nothing new. Read _The Best and the Brightest_ about JFK's election and administration.

[AllentownJake]

38. The financial system is still unraveling

It isn't unraveling at the speed it was 9 months ago but it is still collapsing (just at a slower pace)

President Obama has chosen system guys to stop the unraveling when he needs outside the box thinking right now.

[Trillo]

41. This thread is "On The Fence"!

49% recs / 51% unrecs : 40 replies : By Taverner

Guess the "gaming" of the scores isn't working as well as it used to! ha!

[sendero]

43. He's not in charge...

... but it's not the "company". It's the donors, same as for congress.