I am a human being first, a progressive second and a Democrat third

[shadowknows69]

And I will NOT applaud the giving of a "peace" prize to a President who is continuing one useless war of choice and escalating another. Since progressive seems to equal pariah on this board now, I'll direct your attention to the ignore button right above the subject line. Might as well use it because I'm not shutting up voluntarily.

[Orrex]

1. You're neing a little over-dramatic, I think

[shadowknows69]

4. Sit on it spelling nazi I caught it.

[Orrex]

15. Love and kisses

You know he wants to blow up the Moon too, right?

[Orsino]

49. No. Even if I don't necessarily agree with the OP...

..."over-dramatic" is not a term I would apply anywhere near a discussion involving war.

[Buzz Clik]

2. Your lack of applause will not be noticed.

[Gman]

3. Because I am a human being I am a Democrat

and think you're just whining and complaining, much less an idiot. Nope, I can't and won't ignore stupidity.

[shadowknows69]

6. That's ok. I really started this thread to gather the people I need to ignore.

[conscious evolution]

39. good idea

[Name removed]

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[Democracyinkind]

13. Actually, on FR they constantly suggest "posting on DU" to people who dissent there.

Kind of creppy, hu?

[el_bryanto]

7. I'm not as down on Obama as you are, but certainly there's enough there to warrant holding off.

It's premature at best and unwarranted at worst.

Bryant

[scheming daemons]

8. Well.. there are sites for folks who are "progressive".... THIS one is for "Democrats"

Says so in the name.

[shadowknows69]

12. Best bullshit answer given on here lately thanks for playing.

Because the two are clearly mutually exclusive now. Whose more like the freeps?

[scheming daemons]

16. "Whose more like the freeps?"

Well... who is in agreement with the freeps over the Nobel Peace Prize?


You... or me?

[shadowknows69]

20. I don't read that rag. I don't need other people to help shape my opinion on things.

[BlooInBloo]

34. "I don't need other people to help shape my opinion on things." - Wow...

We really are almost complete opposites.

Damn near 100% of my learning came from, comes from, an will continue to come from other people.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

77. _

[MineralMan]

35. Perhaps that's your mistake.

Perhaps reading the opinions of others, like the Nobel Committee, might be a useful exercise for you. They stated their reasons for choosing President Obama. Did you read those reasons, or are you simply jerking at the knee?

[shadowknows69]

40. I read the article. Why is everyone assuming I haven't just because I disagree.

By rag I meant FR.com, where people are suggesting I'd be more at home because I'm such an anti-civil rights, bigoted, chickenhawk. I have five years of posts on this board that prove otherwise.

[verges]

58. Even better.

You came to the same conclusion on your own. Congratulations.

[BlooInBloo]

19. "Whose more like the freeps?" - Anti-Obama people, of course.

This has been another episode of Simple Answers To Simple Questions.

[Gman]

25. Don't let the cyber door hit you in the ass on your way outa here

[shadowknows69]

29. Going nowhere sorry. Someone has to stay and fight for the soul of our party.

[Name removed]

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[shadowknows69]

31. Gee, there's been a D on my registration card for over 20 years now

Maybe they printed it in error?

[elocs]

14. There you have it: if you do not agree with the majority, you cannot be a Democrat.

Exactly how does that work and who gets to determine it?

[scheming daemons]

17. Didn't say that.... said there are sites more receptive to being a "progressive first"

This site is, by its charter, about and for "Democrats".


You can be a Democrat and a Progressive....

[shadowknows69]

23. Well, moran, I said I was both.

But I won't be a blind party loyalist and if that is all that this site welcomes anymore then I will be taking my leave of it.

[MineralMan]

38. And you're now calling other DUers 'morans?'

Hmm...

[shadowknows69]

42. Well he can't seem to comprehend my very simple thread title.

It does state that I am indeed both a progressive and a Democrat. I just decided to list them in order of personal priority. When someone is making it seem like no progressive Dems are welcome here, which is contrary to the rules, then I think moran applies.

[MineralMan]

47. Actually, no. Calling people names is the mark

of a lost battle. Personal attacks do not contribute to understanding in any way. Rather, they tend to shift attention to the bad manners of the person making them.

[shadowknows69]

50. I'm not in a battle. I stated my opinion.

No one is going to "shock and awe" me into changing it. And essentially calling me a Freeper in most of this thread doesn't make him lose the "battle"?

[Hissyspit]

46. It also says "Underground," not mainstream, and the term progressives is mentioned in the rules

several times.

"exchange and dissemination of liberal and progressive ideas. Since then, DU has become one of the premier left-wing websites on the Internet, publishing original content six days a week, and hosting one of the Web's most active left-wing discussion boards.

We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives"

Did you read the rules before coming on here and lecturing people to go to other sites?

[closeupready]

71. Thank you.

I agree.

[bvar22]

79. Wrong again.

"Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party..."
(my bold)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

I'm about as Progressive/Liberal as anyone here.
I neither support or oppose the Nobel Committee's decision.
The Nobel committee is a private organization, and they can give their prizes to whomever they choose.

The effects will be a mixed bag.

[Name removed]

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[Captain Hilts]

10. Eleanor Roosevelt scratched and bit for peace for 30 years and didn't get it.

The sad thing, is I've no doubt the president might very well have earned this award a few years on.

[elocs]

11. Views that disagree with the majority are not welcome or appreciated.

Today you will be like the lonely soul calling for healthcare reform with a public option at a freeper infested town hall meeting.

[bigwillq]

18. But, but, but..the speeches.

He certainly deserved it for his gift of gab. :P :rofl:

Congrats to the Prez..it's quite an honor. But, yeah, don't really see why he deserved it, NOW. In a few years, maybe. Wasn't the deadline in Feb? So he was prez. for just a few weeks. Before that, he was in campaign mode, and certainly not deserving of it when your bitching back and forth with your opponent.

[SammyWinstonJack]

82. +1

He certainly deserved it for his gift of gab. :evilgrin:

[AllentownJake]

21. I just think it is premature

I don't think it is a good idea to give people awards after 9 months in office. I'm not angry about it or anything, but Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, and Martin Luther King had a lifetime of work before they received it.

[shadowknows69]

24. That's my main beef. If he had made concrete moves to ending the Bush wars, sure, in a heartbeat.

[Hissyspit]

41. It's more about this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33001551/ns/world_news-united_nations

[shadowknows69]

48. I know, but realistically here. Even that being the only criteria shouldn't some time be spent

To see if any of these nuke reductions are carried out or if it's just another placating speech to the masses?

[Hissyspit]

57. The Nobels have never been about that. They have been about affecting the process of peace.

Whether that's good or not, well, some good has come to fruit due to the awards, other times not.

[cali]

22. gad, the whining over this is so fucking pathetic. As are the self-righteous piles

of shit building up. ugh.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

26. I think the proper order should be...

Sanctimonious Git First
Attention Whore Second
Who the hell cares what comes after that...

Ignore button, you say? Good idea.

[Dogmudgeon]

27. US vs THEM. Very Progressive.

:eyes:

If you disagree with the modern crop of "Progressives," you're a conformist thug, ready to round up all the junior Ernie Guevaras and re-open Auschwitz.

What a bargain! What a choice!

--d!

[ixion]

28. Yeah, I don't really see how he can get a Peace prize while

bombing Afghanistan and Pakistan almost daily.

And also: While continuing Bush-era fascist policies.

It amazes me. When Bush was in office, the vitriol over these VERY SAME POLICIES was palpable right here on DU. Now, however, we're apparently not to speak of them.

[MineralMan]

32. Well, your opinion is your opinion, I suppose.

Since you do not sit on the Nobel Peace Prize committee, I suppose that opinion had little effect on their decision.

Perhaps a careful reading of why they awarded the Nobel to President Obama is in order. I know that's a reach, but please to try to understand.

[shadowknows69]

37. I read the BBC article. Doesn't matter their reasoning,

It doesn't change the fact we're still engaged in two and a half wars of choice and innocent people are dying in our name. the Nobel Cmte. has just set the bar a little low this time IMO.

[MineralMan]

44. Let me get this straight...

You expected President Obama to simply pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan as fast as was possible? Have you any idea of the chaos that would have caused there? That is not working towards peace. Ending wars is not an easy task. We have several years of warfare ongoing. Simply leaving would throw the region into a much more destructive conflict than is already happening.

Instant solutions to such conflicts are simply not possible.

[shadowknows69]

53. Yes I expected him to be smart enought to withdraw us as soon as possible

Since both endeavors have proven to be nothing but the most dangerous of folly on too many levels to count anymore.

[KG]

33. +infinity

[Bill McBlueState]

36. thanks!

You're not the only one.

[notesdev]

43. I'm with you - this makes me suspicious

Even people at the White House, when told this morning, thought it was a joke.

What's the real reason for this prize? Is this the naked attempt to influence our foreign policy that it appears to be? And the money, is it intended as a bribe?

I'm not even sure if it's legal for Obama to accept it... a certain prohibition on receiving foreign titles comes to mind.

[shadowknows69]

56. Hey if it shames him into ending the wars I'll eat my hat in Times Square

Y'all can pick the hat. I don't usually wear one.

[rvablue]

83. Are you serious? These reads like a grab bag of RW echo chamber talking points! n/t

[Ninga]

45. Dear shadow....we can catch more flies with honey than we can with vinegar. I

think the committee KNOWS FULL WELL WHAT THEY DID when awarding the Nobel Peace prize to our President.

It is not simple,it is complicated.

They have thrown down the gauntlet, and said "you are the person to lead peace and end the War."

[shadowknows69]

59. I get that. I'm just really losing patience with "games of chess" while people die.

[Renew Deal]

51. Your post makes humans, progressives, and Democrats look bad

:shrug:

[shadowknows69]

60. Ok, well God has chimed in finally.

Or our UFO overlords, whichever school of thought you're from.

[Renew Deal]

64. I'm just having fun with you.

Though I don't agree with your line of thinking. :pals:

[shadowknows69]

67. np. Any enemies I make today will be their choice not mine.

I just won't sit here and pretend to understand it.

[datasuspect]

52. war is peace

[NeedleCast]

54. Pity Party, Table for one?

[shadowknows69]

61. A pity party would imply this is about me. You misunderstood apparently

It's about our country, our image and the truth. You think this is actually helping us win hearts and minds in the countries we're occupying? I would venture it could accomplish the opposite.

[NeedleCast]

70. Not from where I'm standing

it's about the continued whining from a certain segment of this board that the entirety of DU is now in league with Fox news. You said:

"Since progressive seems to equal pariah on this board now, I'll direct your attention to the ignore button right above the subject line. Might as well use it because I'm not shutting up voluntarily."

Which is why I say this is ALL about you. You sound like one of the poor, persecuted fundies always carrying on about how they're going to fight for Jebus to the bitter end even though the media, the majority - nay, almost everyone, is against them (while ignoring the fact that 80+% of this country claims christianity as it's religion). So yes, your post was all about you and your imagined persecution.

[shadowknows69]

74. I was offering it as a service to those who can't tolerate us loony lefties anymore

Click on it and suffer one of us no more. I don't care who disagrees with my opinions, but I won't stop defending my position or attempt to find common ground.

[NeedleCast]

80. No one is asking you to

We reserve the right to disagree with you. I'm not going to put you on ignore for having an opinion. If you wish to be martyred, do it on your own time.

[shadowknows69]

87. Well I'm putting you on ignore so knock yourself out in my threads.

[proud2BlibKansan]

55. Here! Here!

:applause:

[MineralMan]

62. There, There!

[shadowknows69]

63. Where? Where?

I want some! What were we talking about again?

[closeupready]

65. I agree with you.

K&R

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

66. Take The Blinders Off.

There's a whole huge world out there beyond your narrow little field of vision.

[shadowknows69]

69. How do you think a comment like that even deserves a response?

You don't know me outside what I've written on this board. Which in my opinion my journal actually represents someone with some considerable life experience and openness of vision.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

75. Knowing You Is Irrelevant. I Know The Mindset Required To Write The OP.

And that mindset is narrow as the edge of a razor blade.

[shadowknows69]

76. Coming from you and your history of posting here that is completely laughable.

And I guess I'll pass on that psychological help you once offered me. Seems to me you're the kind of mindset that would take personal information and use it against someone for your own jollies.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

86. Never Have And Never Would (Though It's Been Done To Me).

And this isn't about me. It's about your OP and the personal perception that would've been necessary to post it. Fact is, that perception itself is obviously stuck in a narrow tunnel that has walls to thick to see out of; as it relates to this topic. A broadening of one's perspective enabling them to see the picture as a whole would also then enable them to see exactly why the OP is severely flawed.

[tammywammy]

68. I voted for Obama, I support him in almost everything he's done

Really. And yet, even I think giving a President that's currently running two wars the Peace Prize is stupid.

[proud2BlibKansan]

72. I keep thinking of those 8 soldiers who died in Afghanistan the other day

[SammyWinstonJack]

84. Mind boggling, actually.

[BoneDaddy]

73. Will you be biting your pillow next?

Sometimes I think these boards just pull out the drama kings and queens

[Le Taz Hot]

78. I thought I did pretty well

in not pissing on the thread in LBN. Took tremendous restraint, it did. For those of you engaging the Ignore function for SH, you might as well save yourself some time and include me in there too. I have eyes, I have a brain, and I have the ability to think independently. My definition of peace does not include innocents continuing to die for oil.

[SammyWinstonJack]

85. One wonders what those innocents would/will think of this 'peace' prize?

:shrug:

[ProSense]

81. "President who is continuing one useless war of choice" What utter BS

Leaving Iraq

People just find any excuse to slam President Obama, who by the way has made no decision on Aghanistan.

He earned the Nobel Peace Prize. Deal with it.

[shadowknows69]

88. Ten years from now when we still have a Koreanesque military presence there

You owe me a beer.