Without jobs that people can make enough to live off of how

[blues90]

Does this health care even fit in? They bailed out everyone who had all the money and caused this disaster including the auto manufacturers , do not kid yourself they could have long ago built better cars and trucks. Remember the 70's when the push was for smaller more fuel efficient cars? They got on that wagon and then abandoned it and went full bore to even larger trucks than ever before and they stayed with the internal combustion engine with only computers to control the fuel and timing and made them cheap and the proof in this was the additional extended warranty that you paid for. They brought back the huge V-8's.

They failed in so many ways. I know I spent over 30 years working on the cars and trucks as well as dealing with the countless recalls and customer service and all the rightful complaints. Yes some people abuse their cars but still they used to take this sort of abuse with relative ease.

We know how the banks and wall street failed and robbed. We know how the government failed all these years through ignorance and looking out for their own interests and not the peoples . Yes there are people who cheat the system but then they have role models who set the stage for this.

Every part of every car should be made here and the employees should be allowed to point out the flaws so we have better units. Did you know that all car manufacturer's get their info on faults because they are informed by the repair field at dealerships what these faults are and what needs to be done to fix them. Dealership repair centers get points and that relate into money when they do so.

We can build anything here including computers and power tools and vacuums , everything and it can all be done here. We used to build real nice stuff that lasted , what happened? All sorts of tools and cars and household items that supported a demand for replacement parts and repair shops. We even had TV repair and shoe repair. Now it's cheaper to toss it out , such a waste and this is in a real sense promoted by the next model when the old one worked quite fine for decades . I have power tools that are 30 years old and they still work fine. Some are older and if I could get parts they would serve the purpose. They new ones have not changed all that much.

If this is not done then what good is health care when no one can afford it without a good job?

I do often wonder if all the US bases were closed where would all these people work , we do have what over 200 bases all over the globe. There is another reason why I feel these bases are still there.

Almost every aspect of everything I can think of is out of control.

Perhaps when all of us old boomer's die off and the youth wise up and look at the past things will get better . who knows , I am just an old boomer who believed all the lies we were told all my life. I don't now and have not for quite sometime.

Hell these days I'd be happy working building almost anything for a fair wage that I could live off of , I don't need much stuff , stuff will kill you. Keep it simple that's my motto .

As I said I am an old boomer with old ideals which did not include tossing good stuff out just to keep up with a few changes.

[madrchsod]

1. it does`t....

to many are going on the assumption that people can afford to pay for health insurance. they pay no attention that the majority of bankruptcies are people who have medical insurance. these health care bills will do nothing to change that fact. until jobs are created in this country we`ll see no real improvement in our lives.

[blues90]

2. That's right . the people who have already lost all because

They were forced to go into debt to pay for high cost medical procedures are now screwed and a new bill will not help them , it's too late for them but this seems acceptable somehow and all is forgotten in the fog. They are not counted now . they don't matter now yet they were people who did matter.

Who would have thought that people now out of sight are now out of mind , really no different than the soldiers who died for corporate greed interests.

[RKP5637]

3. +1,000 - old boomer here too, I know exactly what you mean and all good points! This is

not the country we were born into. To me, it's quite dysfunctional. I'm hoping the youth can fix the country.

I think many boomers failed the country with greed, me first and ripoffs. There are many good people, but I think many with power, wealth and control have really done this country a grave disservice over the decades taking the country to extreme capitalism.

I've started calling it USA, Inc. It's no longer about "We the People," the country is now for "We the Corporations." I'm beginning to think the best we can do in this country is to learn Chinese for the 21st century.

[Mind_your_head]

4. imVho, the problem started when "bean counters" (accountants/finacial 'guys')

became the "top dogs" in a company. The engineer, the worker (who knew the processes inside and out) became 'irrelevant'.

What was "good for the company" TURNED from producing a superior product to turning a quick buck for the shareholder.

THAT's were the problem really is.

[RKP5637]

5. You're right on target. I remember this well when the bean counters came into

my companies in the mid-80's / early 90's and started telling engineering how to design everything because all that counted was the bottom line... didn't matter if it was a good product or not... or what the customer really wanted.

I worked for a number of high flying wall street darling companies and now they are all gone. They screwed the employees and customers, and eventually themselves, the customers got smart, left and never came back. The word was on the street.

Your exactly right, "TURNED from producing a superior product to turning a quick buck for the shareholder."

[Mind_your_head]

6. People who are 30-something......don't want to hear that they've been lied too.

[RKP5637]

7. It's a dose of reality, for sure, for them. n/t