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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:27 PM
Original message
The customer said, "What are you looking at, n_ _ _ _r?"
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 09:28 PM by Kat45
He said that to a busboy who was bussing a table a bit of a distance away from where he was sitting with his family. Then he said something to the effect of "Don't look at my wife, n_ _ _ _r!" After being retrieved by another employee, a manager came out to see the customer and busboy standing nose to nose. The angry employee had responded to the customer by yelling, "I'm not afraid. If you want to fight, I'll fight" (or words to that effect). Trying to diffuse the situation, the manager quickly got between them and repeated to his employee, "It's not worth it. It's not worth it." Then a large waitress came running over, yelling "It's ok. I've got it," as she inserted herself between the two players to help keep them apart.

This happened in a large chain restaurant...last weekend. Now, I'm not someone who denies the existence of racism, but I did not think people manifested it so blatantly, and publicly, in this day and age. The man did this in a busy restaurant, in front of customers, employees--and his own family. (Though I can't speak for his family, everyone else in the place was shocked and appalled.) BTW, this happened in Massachusetts.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:29 PM
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1. whoa. that's disturbing. what happened to the bigot pig?
Did the manager kick him out?
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #1
28. No, not at all.
The staff was especially solicitous of the customer for the rest of the night. They wanted to keep him happy so he wouldn't make trouble for the restaurant. And he was grumbling and complaining the whole night.

The busboy was asked to go home so the situation wouldn't escalate. Reports had to be filed to be sent to corporate. The manager made it clear in his report that nobody laid a hand on anybody. He does not want the busboy to lose his job.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. question, who was the customer..... someone with pull???
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. No, it's just the way of corporate America today.
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 10:19 PM by Kat45
It is on of those huge restaurant chains, very regimented, very corporate. Everything for the "guest." If the meal doesn't get to the guest in x number of minutes (I forget the number), they comp the guest for it. Employees are just chewed up and spit out in this environment. I don't even know how much authority the managers have, with the possible exception of the GM, who was not there at the time. I would not be surprised to see such a company fire that busboy, but since race was involved in this case, they probably won't want to go that route.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #28
42. WTF? A piece of shit customer gets in a busboy's face and throws racial epitaphs at him
and they're worried about the busboy getting fired? NO ONE should EVER have to put up with that kind of shit! And as if the incident with the racist wasn't bad enough to suck up to the fucking racist instead of kicking his ass out? Are you fucking kidding me? They should be backing the employee not being overly solicitous to that racist piece of shit.

I guess that racist POS really learned his lesson. :sarcasm:

What's the name of this place so I can make sure I NEVER set foot in there.

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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #42
57. Ummmm...I think you mean "epithet"
A "racial epitaph" would be a grave marker that denotes heritage or race.

I have to admit though, your mistake is kind of funny.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #57
60. rofl, my brain just skimmed over that, but your right its kinda funny...
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catrose Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #28
44. so the busboy loses the day's pay?
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #44
62. It was close to the end of the shift.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #62
116. hostile work environment, anyone? CYA dictates the customer gets the boot, asap
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EndersDame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #28
63. A manager at a restaurant I worked at did nothing when a customer pinched a waitress butt
I want to make it clear that that happened last year and not 1960. It is horrible to be a service industry employee
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:21 AM
Response to Reply #28
97. That is sick ....
that customer should have been ejected with his family and told that he would not be welcome ther in the future. Since when does a bigot earn special treatment for spewing hate? That restaurant chain has its priorities completely screwed. They should be boycotted.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:10 AM
Response to Reply #28
105. The busboy is asked to go home? WTF? The manager should have escorted the customer to the door.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:11 AM
Response to Reply #105
106. Was it a Denny's restaurant?
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:16 AM
Response to Reply #105
107. If it were a locally-owned place, they might have done just that
Unfortunately, corporate policies being what they are, it was handled differently here.
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Ava83 Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:31 PM
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2. There are no words
Not only is this ridiculously disrespectful, hateful to the busboy but to everyone in hearing distance, to his family (I could go on)

How much hate does this man have to do this?
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:32 PM
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3. probuably need some more info, it may have been the guy was racist
or was the customer black as well, or was he one of the idiots i deal with who though white insist they are straight from the ghetto, some more info would be helpful
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. wtf? may have been racist?
sorry, there's no excuse for this bigot's behavior.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. well as i asked, what was the full context of what happened
there is not enough info in the op
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #7
14. well as i asked, what was the full context of what happened
there is not enough info in the op
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. There is no context
in which calling a person a n****r is ever acceptable. None. Nada. Zip. zilch.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. tell you what, you go tell the hip hop culture that..... i am sure the bangers on the street corner
would be interested in hearing you telling them your opinion on what they openly call each other...
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #29
45. I'm sure you don't know shit about hip hop culture other than what the MSM has told you
and the MSM doesn't know shit either. And if the dude took the time to get in the customer's face it's bloody obvious that the busboy wasn't down with the asshole who called him a nigger.

Would you like to do some more pretzel like bending to try to make this sound like anything other than the racist incident that it is?
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. lol yeah okay, as i state further downthread i deal with guys who drop the n word all day long
so i think i am pretty up with it not always being a prejorative depending on the dude using it. If you dont realise that the word is used extensively both in Hip hop music and in the subculture as well as gang culture than your the one who dosent know shit...
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #47
66. no Rainey b is spot on
you're the one who "dosent know shit" if you claim to hang with people who use it within their culture and can't tell the difference from that and the OP's story.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #66
69. once again, without knowing if the customer was ice T or snoop dog then you dont have the context
the OP dosent tell us who or what the customer was, and i dont claim to hang around with the gangstas, i just deal with them on an everyday basis, i also deal with the white guys who wanna be gangstas and use the exact same language patterns....
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #69
83. the context is the man was doing his job and a customer called him a "nigger"
dosent take a rocket scientist to figger that out.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #83
85. and how many times a day do you think the black guy working the street corner in DC selling tshirts
gets called the same thing by other black guys working in the area, or how many times does the gangsta use that word towards other black or white youths in his circle, once again its all about context, hell i couldnt count the number of times ive heard it used tonight alone.... and you know not one person took offense at it...
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #85
122. *facepalm*
There are no words...

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #122
129. There never are
I fail to see why this particular person posts here. His views are WAYYY outside the spectrum--even for the big tent.
The only person worse than this one is OMC.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #66
110. Actually, the OP wasn't even there, according to the OP in one of
his posts here. The manager who relayed the story to the OP just maybe embellished it a bit.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:25 AM
Response to Reply #47
96. I've heard it used a fair amount too, by black co-workers
I would not call them either hip hop or gang, and it would also be easy enough for one black guy to get in another black guys face, not because of the n-word, but because he did not like the tone.

One thing I did find out though, is that when black guys use it, at least around here, it ends in A, not in er. It's *-ga, not *-ger. If you say it with the -er you could easily end up in the ER.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:31 AM
Response to Reply #47
99. If you are white..
... you don't say that to a black person unless MAYBE he is a close personal friend. In fact, if you are black you don't say that to another black person unless you are a close personal friend or business associate.

You are stretching here, as usual.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:01 AM
Response to Reply #45
89. stop arguing with trolls, Raineyb
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:20 AM
Response to Reply #89
93. why don't more people speak up against this fucking madness --
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #89
112. There you go, Skittles.
It's obvious the OP is being baited.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #29
48. Okay fine
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 10:39 PM by Mz Pip
If Ice-T was the guy in the restaurant getting in the face of the bus boy, then maybe you have a point.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #48
54. yup that was all that i was asking dude, i was just looking for some context..
:)
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #26
87. +1
Exactly. I very much doubt that 'customer' was anything other than a frustrated, angry, ignorant white bigot.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #7
27. i guess it dosent matter to you the context of who the customer is
would it be different if it was Ice T, or Eminem, or a banger, or a white office worker, or an hispanic male, the context is what matters and was what i was looking for...
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #27
68. the context that the employee was ready to get up in his face GIVES YOU A BIG CLUE
:puke:
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #68
71. no it dosent, ive had guys call other black guys the perjorative
only to have them get in their face for representing, obviously you dont hang around the culture where the N word is thrown about willy nilly or you would know that its used for props and also as a dis....
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:36 AM
Response to Reply #71
102. While I fully understand what you are saying,
May I please point out to you that the word is doesn't, not dosent? (Sorry, but we don't want to look like we use Freeper spelling here.)
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #3
10. Deleted
Never mind, isn't worth it with this particular poster.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #3
15. sheesh
:eyes:
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:33 PM
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4. that is so wrong
wow, can't believe it...and yet I know things are getting worse out there as rifts grow between people as a result of the racism spewed by places like Faux..almost like they are making it okay again to BE a racist.

do tell...what happened?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:33 PM
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5. The manager should have tossed him and banned him for life.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #5
39. I don't believe he'd have the authority to do that.
He's not the GM. And even then, I'm not sure if the GM would be able to do that. You know, in the corporate way, don't want to lose any customer's money.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #39
51. All of the OTHER customers should have left

If I was at another table, I would make very clear to the management that the offending customer is to be deemed a trespasser, or I am leaving without paying.

And I would encourage others to do so.

That would put the management in something of a bind then, yes?

In most states, an innkeeper can eject a guest for any reason or no reason (so long as it is not an impermissible reason).
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #51
56. Absolutely! In fact, in my opinion, everyone who heard this racist filth and STAYED
without making their disapproval known condoned the racist rant.

These slugs need to be stepped on every time they ooze out from under their rocks.

For good measure, I'd have tipped the busboy.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #56
77. When they were collecting info for their report to corporate,
many customers stuck up for the busboy and said that he was provoked by the customer.
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EndersDame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #39
64. You can do that and he should have
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #64
79. You're right. I was mistaken about that.
Turns out a manager that came in the next day told them that they should have thrown the customer out. Apparently it was close to closing time at the restaurant and the managers on duty were afraid of making matters worse if they tried to throw him out.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:33 PM
Response to Original message
6. Someone's gonna get some spit in his soup!
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #6
50. Years ago I was ordering Chinese take out in Dorchester MA, when

one of the locals came in to place/pick up his order. He started making offensive remarks to the Asian lady behind the counter and mocking their way of speaking...as he was placing his order!!!

What an asshole.

Racism sucks.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #50
126. it's best to be super nice to people before you get your food.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:36 PM
Response to Original message
8. That's what 8 years of neo-con rule has done for bigots............
Instead of racists being embarrassed to be thought of as racists, the neo-cons have taught these pigs to wear their racism on their sleeves.

Sarah Palin and her rhetoric is keeping racism socially acceptable.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:37 PM
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9. Damned southerners.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Exactly. The south should be kicked out of the union.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #9
18. South Boston, maybe
you shouldn't assume that racism is confined to the South (it isn't).
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. I post that any time something happens outside the South.
To remind the South bashers how ignorant they are.
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #18
38. Thank you!
I witnessed plenty of racism while living in Kansas and Iowa. Ignorance and hatred is universal.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #38
117. LOL I know more hillbillies in Chicago than in Houston.
truefact
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #9
41. it is true
Racism exists outside of the south. Let me know when Mass. votes for a Strom Thurmond or a George Wallace for president.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:42 PM
Response to Original message
11. Blatant racism is disturbing but....
at least it`s out in the open...like a caution flag. Even more deadly is the racism under a white hood or behind a whisper or in a dark-of-night cross burning.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. I wouldn't get too upset when there isn't even a link to go on.
I have never seen a cross burned on a lawn in the dark of night, and I have lived in the South most of my life. I have had things thrown at my car for being so insensitive as to drive while white through a black neighborhood. I have been physically attacked on a couple of occasions because I'm white. So let's not get too dramatic here.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #17
22. Thank for the tip, imdjh, but
I don`t need a "link to go on" to know about racism. I`ve heard it firsthand and it ain`t pretty.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #17
30. No link; not from the news. A person who was there told me first hand.
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 10:07 PM by Kat45
And that person was shocked by what the customer said.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #17
113. Oh, no!
A whiteboy victimized by racism. You'll get a lot of support for that martyrism...
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #113
131. Yep, doesn't bother me much either. It does lower my tolerance for bullshit a bit.
Like people playing the victim based on bullshit when the stats are to the contrary.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #113
133. God...
Damn, I'm a whte person who has been on the opposite end of blatent racism several times. Do you want to shit all over me for it? Should I keep it a secret, since, you know, I'm a whiteboy and can't complain?

If you really were a progressive, you would treat all racists and their victims the same. But your comments are bigoted.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #133
134. Thanks for the offer, MD
but I'm not into scatological sex. Best get your freak on elsewhere. Not sure where Middletown is relative to Cleveland, but I'd suggest a trip there if you're looking for a Steamer.

FWIW, I abjure racism in every form. Sorry if you've experienced problems with the Bro's, but unless you're ready to provide some details, I have to think maybe you just need to man-up and deal with the situation.

I've never been victimized by racism, but then, I treat others I meet with honest respect (unless they whine publicly about being "picked on" by scary black guys). I suspect most white men who whimper about being repressed have "signaled" their closet racism to blacks without realizing it. Perhaps you should try direct eye-contact and a firm handshake. You know, treat them as equals and don't display your fear.



Silly to paint anyone here as a bigot or point the accusatory "non-progressive" finger at another based on your interpretation of one post. It's a weak riposte.

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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:21 PM
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135. I didn't paint you as a bigot...
just stated your comments were. You can assume all you want about me, but it comes across as pretty ignorant and condescending to pretend to know me and tell me to "man up". That's the problem though I suppose. Some people think that if you are white, especially a white male, and experience racism, it's funny and you just need to "man up". It reminds me of how some people respond to domestic abuse towards men.

Who knew that just by treating others with honest respect, direct eye-contact and a firm handshake that racism could be avoided. :eyes:

Guess you should have told the waiter in the OP's story that. It must've been his fault after all. He just needs to "man up".

I realize there are racist whites out there who will use stories of bigotry directed towards them or other whites to justify their hate, but I don't know why that means that all whites everywhere who have been victimized by racism and actually talk about it are really just signalling their closet racism.

I don't know how hiding past instances of bigotry because you are white leads to honest and open discussions of race and racism or helps anything at all. But you have expressed a sentiment that is somewhat mainstream. And it's pretty damaging to race discussions and empowering to those who want to spread hate.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:49 PM
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16. Um... Massachusetts ???

Photograph © Stanley J. Forman

In his recent speech on race, Barack Obama spoke about the legacy of racial hatred and resentment in America. One of the events he probably had in mind was the controversy over busing that erupted in Boston in the mid-1970s. A single photograph epitomized for Americans the meaning and horror of the crisis. On April 5, 1976, at an anti-busing rally at City Hall Plaza, Stanley Forman, a photographer for the Boston Herald-American, captured a teenager as he transformed the American flag into a weapon directed at the body of a black man. It is the ultimate act of desecration, performed in the year of the bicentennial and in the shadows of Boston's Old State House. Titled The Soiling of Old Glory, the photograph appeared in newspapers around the country and won the Pulitzer Prize in 1977. The image shattered the illusion that racial segregation and hatred were strictly a Southern phenomenon. For many, Boston now seemed little different than Birmingham.


Link: http://www.slate.com/id/2188648/slideshow/2188675/

The South didn't have a monopoly on racism.

:shrug:

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:49 AM
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104. I remember that.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:13 PM
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125. The only black church burning after the election happened in Springfield, MA.
Massachusetts is chock full o' wingnuts, especially the central and western parts of the state.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:55 PM
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20. That reminds me of a story.
I once lived on a lovely Caribbean island. One fine Sunday I was standing on the side of the road waiting for the last bus of the day back to my town. Two huge locals about 50 yards away started screaming and cursing me. "Get the fuck out here honky or we'll come over there and beat the hell out of you." I waved. That infuriated them. "We gonna kill you honky. We told you to get the fuck outa here. We're gonna come over there and kill you." I waved and smiled. "All right, that's it honky, you gonna die." Over they come, double time, fists clenched. Figured I was gonna die fer sher. "This is your last chance. Get the fuck outta here, honky."

"I can't," I said. "There's only one more bus today and I have to catch it here. I have no choice. If you have to beat me you have to beat me, but I got to catch this bus."

"Why?"

"I teach school and the morning bus will get me to school late, so this is my only choice."

"You a teacher, honky? Well that's okay."

So we talk for a few minutes and along comes the bus. They stop the bus, get on and tell the bus driver that I am their friend and that he's not to charge me for the trip. Bus driver looks terrified. When we get to my destination I try to pay the bus driver and he starts sweating, terrified look on his face, waving his hands, refusing to take a penny. No matter what I said he wouldn't take the money.

They must have been some really dangerous men. Thank God they respected teachers.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:56 PM
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21. So what ethnicity was the man? There's a shoe about to drop, right?
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:02 PM
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25. My question exactly.....
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:09 PM
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32. You know, I didn't ask. I just assumed it was a white guy.
It probably was, but my bad for making the assumption. I will ask the next time I talk to my friend who was there.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:12 PM
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33. it seems that everyone just assumed it was a white guy as well so no bad to you
for me i hear it every day, its not used as a prejorative in the circles i frequent and is used both by white and black and between both.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:27 PM
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40. I would have thought the black guy would have been stunned.
Even if he was leering at the alabaster princess, I should think he would have looked at the husband and just said, "You're kidding, right? What century are you in?"

Although that's not my first reaction. When I hear people call someone a faggot (and mean it), I am not stunned, I am angry. And yes, I will turn to an adult and order him or her to "Watch your mouth." which oddly does tend to stun folks. It's the gray hair and the presumption that I have a gun in my pocket which lets me get away with stuff.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:36 PM
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46. He may have been, I don;'t know. But he was angry.
And ready to fight. Maybe being a young guy had something to do with that reaction. He's also a big guy.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:35 AM
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101. So this was a 'hearsay' story, as in "my friend has a friend who..." nt
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 04:45 PM
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123. No, it was told to me by the manager involved. n/t
I talked to him later that night. It's not one of those friend-of-a-friend things.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:58 PM
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23. That's an ass-kicking in my neighborhood.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:01 PM
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24. i'm guessing the racist fuckwit is mentally ill somehow
i live in the south, and while they may think it, the only ones who are saying it and picking fights that boldly w. helpless employees who have to take their shit have some kind of obvious mental disorder

i'm sorry you had to see that, and i venture to guess that the man's family was squirming with shame

ugh!!!
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:16 PM
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34. Racists think it's now cool to be racist
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 10:17 PM by lunatica
Especially if they're white and male. Their heroes have given them permission and convinced them they're the new oppressed minority.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:19 PM
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36. Is the customer always right?
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:20 PM
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37. In this restaurant, pretty much yes. n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:30 PM
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43. Ok, so you weren't there. you wrote your op as if you were.
I'm now taking this with a certain amount of salt.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:44 PM
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49. Why the salt?
The manager involved told me about it later that night when we were talking on the phone. He was a little freaked out by the incident and relieved that they were able to diffuse it before it escalated into physical violence. He also couldn't believe that the customer said what he said.

I never claimed I was there; I just wrote it as a narrative of what happened based on what a person involved related to me.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:48 PM
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52. I think you should have made that clear in your op and
you should have clarified where the information came from.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:07 PM
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53. Don't feed the flame warriors.
They aren't worth it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:35 PM
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55. oh, for pity's sake. that was not a flame.
and take a look in the mirror if you want a framed view of worthlessness.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:51 AM
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58. I figured it was a second or third hand account of events.
You might want to make that clear in your OP.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:53 AM
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59. Because it smells like horse bull. nt
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:24 AM
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70. Mass. has no employee harassment laws and that chain has no discrimination/harassment policy?
I hope the young man SUES your relieved manager's corporate bullshit and the LARGE waitress testifies!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:56 AM
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61. I suspect these incidents have increased because of the election of Obama.
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 01:00 AM by TexasObserver
All this outrage by the Birthers and Teabaggers is about their intense racial hatred. I've known some of these assholes and dealt with them all the way back to the early 1970s. They've been haters of blacks the whole time. They never wanted to stop using the N word derogatorily. They are looking for opportunities to offend, now more than ever.

In my view, the appropriate response for a customer watching that is to (1) tell the man who used the term that he's out of line, and do so in a loud voice that everyone in the room can hear, (2) summon the manager and tell him to either kick out the bad actor or bring my check and expect to hear my story on the local 6 o'clock news with a TV reporter standing out in front of his restaurant, and (3) publicly apologize to the bus boy on behalf of the ignorant racist, and express one's sorrow that such Neanderthals still drag their knuckles in our society.

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:11 AM
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65. Oh Thank GOD For LARGE Waitresses!!!!!!!!
:wow: :woohoo: :wow:
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:35 AM
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78. That's how she was described to me.
In the sense that she used her size as an advantage in separating the two parties. (The manager is not a very big guy.)
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:43 AM
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81. Size has nothing to do with it.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:16 AM
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67. how old was the guy...?
although it's true that he should have known better, no matter his age- truth is there are still people around who were raised to see it as a perfectly acceptable word to use when referring to or addressing blacks, usually, but not necessarily in anger.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:26 AM
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:30 AM
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75. in what respect?
do you deny that such people still exist in the world?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:39 AM
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:26 AM
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73. yup ive seen it with the very old, to a lot of them its just a word
kinda wierd when they use it and you dont feel any animosity or hatred coming through the word, just a word.....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:28 AM
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:31 AM
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76. I believe he was middle-aged. n/t
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:53 AM
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84. I will never understand white people who claim that because black people
sometimes use a version of that word amongst themselves, it's somehow understandable for people of other races to use it.

I'm sorry, but NOBODY is that damned stupid. If you're not black and you're using that word, then you KNOW that you're using it offensively. And it doesn't MATTER if you have a "black friend" who doesn't mind. The rare exception does not change the rule. No white person is "raised" to think that calling a black person THAT WORD is EVER acceptable--unless they're being raised racist.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:55 AM
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86. "I'm sorry, but NOBODY is that damned stupid."
Well put. It's disgusting.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:00 AM
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88. yup that is why i was asking for info on the customer, i agree with you to an extent
their are some non blacks that can get away with it, you see it a lot within the gang culture with the word bandied about between the races.....
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:04 AM
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90. their is no way in hell you are series
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:07 AM
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91. dude are you really this sheltered, hell have you never even seen MTV
or an episode of any cop show, do you really think that no one uses the N word not as a prejorative...
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:36 AM
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109. that's not the claim i'm making.
did you happen to live in the south before the civil rights movement?

didn't think so.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:46 AM
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82. Wow . . . hope he was merely a visitor to Massachusetts . . . !!!
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 01:47 AM by defendandprotect
I would certainly have been shocked --

but the right wing never quits -- it continues to push -- and it pushes violence --

It's sought for a very long period of time to create renewed violence against women --

and it will continue to push to create violence against African-Americans --

I don't know how homosexuals are actually doing right now -- ????

Anti-semitism has also been renewed over last decades --

They don't stop -- and they won't stop -- ever.

I hope we will nonetheless keep trying to improve things for everyone -- equality for all --

and that we will keep at it -- and never stop -- ever!!

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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:17 AM
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92. This story has a whiff of bullshit to it.
Stinks of a certain DU wish fulfillment.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:22 AM
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94. The OP has admitted it's a 2nd or 3rd hand account of events
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 02:23 AM by Quantess
S/he was not there, and only heard about it afterward. Which really should have been stated up front. I unrec'd this thread just for that reason.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:24 AM
Original message
No, that's just part of the bullshit.
Using the word "admitted" implies that it's true.
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Firstzar Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:24 AM
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95. Beckerheads in All 50 States
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:19 AM
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98. Put the story in the Globe
This really needs to b e given some publicity in Mass. Not for what the racist did, but for the lack of a strong response from the restaurant manager. This guy should of been asked to leave the establishment period. And maybe the good citizens of Mass would choose to spend their dollars elsewhere than a place that acccepts such behavior.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:33 AM
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100. Once I was in Pat O'Briens in New Orleans
and a customer said something much like that to a waiter. I lost it! I couldn't believe someone would say something like that in public. It still happens. It's disgusting.
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:36 AM
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103. I would have laughed in his face and called him a cry baby that Obama won.
eom
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:21 AM
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108. In my State the Customer just committed a Felony and so did anyone who tried to cover it up.
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 08:21 AM by slampoet
This is a hate crime and no one should have to tolerate it.

IF you didn't call the cops then i really don't know why you bother living in the USA.


Defend America or lose it.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:32 PM
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111. I am not surprised at all this sort of thing is happening.
The bigots are under extreme duress that we have a mixed race President. This very notion challenges their sense of order in the world. Combine that with all the economic woes and they're at the breaking point. I expect to see more of this stuff, Obama's stirred up the pond by just being who he is and the scum is floating to the top. Hopefully we can clean some of it up as we run into it.
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:18 PM
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114. The South
I am from the South and I have never heard the N word spoken more than when I lived in Boston. This is said for the people that love to run Southern-bashing threads.

That said...I would have gotten in the manager's face as well as the customer (Internet and real life tough guy here) if I had been there. There is absolutely NO excuse for that sort of behavior in polite society.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:24 PM
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115. It's weird, isn't it?
I'm from Texas, but I hear that vile word more when I visit Ohio. I'm in Austin though so maybe that's part of it.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:20 PM
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128. Yeah, that was about my experience too.
I guess maybe when we head north of the Mason-Dixon and run into a racist they hear the accent and automatically assume we're a fellow racist so it's cool to be a racist wanker in front of us?
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:30 PM
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118. This is why every manager needs a polaroid
or better yet digital camera. Ask him to smile, take a picture and post it at the front (and send it to all other restaurants, if it's a chain) and say thank you for your patronage, please pay up and never come back again, you're banned.

"Now, I'm not someone who denies the existence of racism, but I did not think people manifested it so blatantly, and publicly, in this day and age."

It is unusual these days, I don't know what his deal was.

"BTW, this happened in Massachusetts."

Oh yankees, well that explains it. ;-)
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:37 PM
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119. Wow, I am surprised the busboy didn't lose his job, even though I felt he was right. He
should have gone to his supervisor and told them what was happening and then it should have been up the the boss to take care of it. I think I would have asked the customer to leave politely. If he didn't want to leave I would have called the police. I wouldn't of taken his money just get him out and tell him not to come back again.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:38 PM
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120. Was the customer white or black?
Was there a previous history between the two?
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 04:48 PM
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124. The customer was white.
No previous history between them.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:46 PM
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121. It amazes me how DUers get sucked in by these types of threads.
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 03:52 PM by WorseBeforeBetter
Racism, ageism, north v. south, and, uh, large-ism.

Well done.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:18 PM
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127. It's amazing how DUers put up with the bigots or trolls or whatever they are -- hard to tell the dif
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:28 PM
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130. He should have choked on a chicken bone. nt
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:40 PM
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132. No shoes, No shirt, No service
But call one of my workers a nigger, you can come right in. :eyes:
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