Withdrawal in disgust in not the same as apathy

[maxpower]

That is about how I feel about Afghanistan, I am having a hard time mustering the needed indignation anymore. When he goes through with this he is basically telling everyone who helped get him elected that we don't matter. Cheney's lobbying on behalf of his dark overlords apparently holds more sway than the 52 million of us who elected Obama. I really thought, wanted to believe, that maybe he would follow through on his promises regarding these wars. Meet the new boss.....


Peace,
Max

[Orsino]

1. Outrage fatigue may not be helpful...

...but it sure as hell is understandable. I feel it, too.

[maxpower]

4. I felt it for eight years

I thought it would be different. I wanted Change. Isn't that what we were promised? Let's protest and be ignored. I am beginning to see that Obama is just a brand, like any marketed product. The dems and reps are blurring the lines between them, where does one end and the other begin. Sad, really sad. Good luck in 2010.


Peace,
Max

[Freddie Stubbs]

2. Were those who worked to elect Obama unaware that he promised to increase the number of troops in

Afghanistan?

[maxpower]

8. That was one of his policies I didn't agree with

I was hoping he would change his stance, like he has on so many things. I still believe he is better than the alternative.



Peace,
Max

[Orsino]

9. For about the eight hundredth time, no, we probably weren't unaware.

And I sure as hell don't expect him to escalate that war just because he once promised to do so. I still haven't heard any good rationale, and I hope he will allow his mind to be changed.

[ginnyinWI]

3. I'm going to listen to him make his case before judging.

Since I don't have a better idea, and since I know he's smarter and has much more information than I do--I'm going to listen with an open mind.

[lonestarnot]

6. That is where I'm at, but still fucking disgusted.

[woodcarver]

21. I feel the same way.

I'll listen to his proposal before I make any judgements. Having said that, I don't think I'm going to be happy about his decision.
There is a great film, The Beast, that follows a Soviet tank crew's experience in Afghanistan. the film illustrates nicely what a cluster fuck it is waging war in that country.

[sandnsea]

5. He's following through on his promises

He's implemented a withdrawal strategy from Iraq and has turned his attention to Afghanistan, just like he said he would.

[maxpower]

13. When both candidates

Are for escalating any war, what choice is there?



Peace,
Max

[peekaloo]

7. dogging the scene

one campaign promise I hoped he wouldn't keep.

[maxpower]

10. Agreed

Peace,
Max


R.E.M. fan?

[peekaloo]

11. .

Big time. :D

[maxpower]

14. Right on

Same here.


Peace,
Max

[NYC_SKP]

12. Were you asleep during the campaign??? He said we needed to fight there, increase troops. Read...

...this post, maybe you'll feel better about the troop increase.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7113264

I wish it wasn't so complicated. But it is.

:donut:

[maxpower]

17. No I knew of this

But I hoped that he would change his mind when he was the one sending our troops in to danger.

Peace,
Max

[NYC_SKP]

20. That's got to be the hardest thing about the job, sending soldiers to die.

But I don't know if there's a way NOT to have to do that, if there's ever been a time when a president didn't have to.

It's fucked up, the world seems to have "progressed" to a point where wars are perpetual and we are either the cause or are inextricably involved.

:nuke:

arrrrgghhh!

[maxpower]

23. This may have been the right war in 2001

But Bush's gross mishandling of this war has assured a war of futility. We still have a huge footprint in Iraq, 130,000 plus or minus a few thousand. I fear neither of these situations can have a positive outcome. Bin Laden is a straw-man at this point, always was as far as I'm concerned. He sure helped Bush though. Let's clean up our own backyard, then start worrying about which war is right.


Peace,
Max

[Captain Hilts]

15. They're all line drives in the box score, as it were. nt

[optimator]

16. we need to start coming up with ideas

on what to do now.

[maxpower]

18. We could protest

But that hasn't worked out well. Let's see the Washington filled again like on inauguration day. Maybe that would get some attention.


Peace,
Max

[maxpower]

19. I am off the help students learn to read

This is my way of dealing and distracting. I highly recommend it. Giving the gift of literacy, what a great thing. See you all later.


Peace,
Max

[Karenina]

22. K&R for an ironic, iconic discussion!

:kick: