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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:34 PM
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History Repeats Itself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIL-uFB7cIc

History repeats itself...


Remnants of an Army by Elizabeth Butler depicting William Brydon who was the sole British survivor after Britain's catastrophic retreat from Kabul.

Coiling down into the future...


Mujahideen convene outside a Soviet garrison, preparing to launch a mortar attack.

When it's one second to twelve...


Soviet troops withdrawing from Afghanistan in 1988

The hands touch and follow deeper...


Afghan mine victim

History repeats itself...


U.S. Army troops in Kunar province, Afghanistan.

I didn't learn, I wouldn't listen...



I couldn't see the books were on the shelf...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_X_d6JjJ00I4/R0rNuiFhlQI/AAAAAAAAJMA/Js0SwkgvFuo/s400/crying-soldier+black.jpg

For my good sense, I never missed 'em...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_X_d6JjJ00I4/Ry8l30STTWI/AAAAAAAAIgc/0s1kIsAWEww/s400/dead+soldiers+caskets+on+plane.jpg

Wish I was standing by the shore...



Feel the wind blow in my face...



See the waves roll in for an encore...

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Soldiers+4th+Brigade+Combat+Team+Deploy+Afghanistan+NRhasNvlLGpl.jpg

They take a bow,



...they know their place...



I do not want, I do not feel...



I've turned away in myself...



I can't find anything that's real...







But history repeats itself.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:35 PM
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1. Epic
K&R.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:47 PM
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3. thank you. that's an honor coming from you.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:39 PM
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2. knr.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:47 PM
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4. They never attacked us. WTF are we doing there?
The people who attacked us were from Egypt and Saudi Arabia. If we were serious, we'd have obliterated the pyramids (over my dead and bleeding corpse) and bomb Mecca to oblivion. But we didn't. Anything else is UNRELATED.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:22 PM
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9. people either forgot, or have chosen from the beginning
to ignore the fact, that the majority of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

tune in and tune out.

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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:47 PM
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5. Wow
:applause:
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:48 PM
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6. Oh. My. God!
:kick:
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:49 PM
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7. i'm in love with your sig line.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:51 PM
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8. Thank you!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:25 PM
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10. .
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:35 PM
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12. my sentiments exactly. n/t
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:25 PM
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11. knr
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:51 PM
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13. Wow, awesome K&R n/t
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:58 PM
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14. Who can forget ...
the former USSR?


SHOW ME ROUND YOUR SNOW PEAKED MOUNTAINS
WAY DOWN SOUTH
TAKE ME TO YOUR DADDY´S FARM
LET ME HEAR YOUR BALALAIKA´S RINGING OUT
COME AND KEEP YOUR COMRADE WARM

I´M BACK IN THE USSR
YOU DON´T KNOW HOW LUCKY YOU ARE BOY
BACK IN THE USSR
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:25 PM
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16. of course. then again, these days, it seems more like we're being told that
Happiness is a Warm Gun.

bang bang shoot shoot.

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:01 PM
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15. Very moving.
Thank you. Pictures are worth a thousand words.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 06:00 PM
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18. you're welcome. and yes, thousands of words.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:31 PM
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17. The heart aches.....

K & R
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 06:04 PM
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19. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Soylent Brice.:thumbsup:
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 06:15 PM
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20. you are most certainly welcome!
nice to see ya Uncle Joe!

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 06:20 PM
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21. It's good to see you as well.
Peace to you, Soylent Brice :hi:
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 06:26 PM
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22. : )




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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 06:28 PM
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23. We don't need no stinkin' History!
We've got to support the guy wearing our jersey! He's our guy, right or wrong! :crazy:

:kick:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 06:30 PM
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24. Or doesn't.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 06:39 PM
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27. Even when the result is different; winner/loser, it does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations

Of course that link doesn't even take in to account historical military operations of other nations.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 06:55 PM
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28. Hi Frenchie.
i've wanted to tell you this for a few weeks now. i didn't really know how to say it but here it goes:

I have always respected you. Since the day I first came here. I have thoroughly enjoyed your posts. You are informative and passionate in the things you write about and support. I admire that.

As of late I have noticed an odd thing happening. I understand support for the president. I support the president. Not in this.

Not with war. Not for anyone.

I remember how excited we all were the night of the election, and the first few weeks. We were all united here on DU. Even those who had supported Hillary, because the repigs did not win. NOT this time.

As time went by, like clockwork, we slowly began to become divided again. We are free thinkers. We are not the marching robots of the republican party. We are not going to agree on everything. I think the problem as of late, what i see happening, is that people who support the president but that are in disagreement with policies and certain directions that the president has taken, are being lumped together with those who just simply do not like the president. This is a mistake.

I, in good conscience, cannot support war. not under any circumstances. I, in good conscience, cannot agree with liberals/progressives/democrats marching in lockstep. It goes against the very nature of being freethinking progressives.

It disturbs me to see that a handful have taken this path. We are not lockstep republicans. You CAN support the president and speak out against war. We all know that most of the people who are upset with those of us who are speaking out against the escalation are the same people who deplored these wars under Bush.

I love you and all my fellow Duers. We are better than this. This country is better than this. The president - OUR PRESIDENT - IS BETTER THAN THIS.

What I'm trying to say is that we are all piling on each other when we should be turning on the military industrial complex. It is no less evil under "our" guy than it was under Bush. I just want you to understand that I respect you, your decision to support the president and the escalation, and everything you have to say, but aren't you in the least bit concerned that that some DUers have literally supported every single decision the president has made from day one? Can anyone say they have done the same for any other Democratic president?

Is it really possible to support 100% of the decisions that any one person makes?

Please understand I mean you no ill will, and hope to get this across as kind as possible. The president will make mistakes, and we MUST be there to point them out - as he asked us to do. THIS is one of those times. THIS is one of those mistakes. War is NOT the answer. Never was. Never will be.

Peace. :hug:

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:29 PM
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30. Thank you for that......
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 07:30 PM by FrenchieCat
and I understand,
and I do see it differently.

Obama tonight will give us what we've not had before in reference to this 8 year war;
a strategy and an end game. That's more than what we will have had before. You can't end
a war if you don't address it at all, and even if he isn't addressing it per what conventional wisdom has decided, he will end it.

That's what counts....not this move in mid-game, cause that's what this is,
but the end result will show that it is President Obama that ended both the Iraq War,
and what had been declared by George Bush; the never ending War on Terror in Afghanistan.

Peace to you too....just not today, but soon. :pals:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 06:34 PM
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25. K&R
:(
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 06:38 PM
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26. Yes - Obama is dropping mines shaped like toys to indicriminately kill Afghan children
Obama's deadly indiscriminate Afghanistan mining campaign is a war crime!!!1111

He's the antichrist!

It's true!

It's true!

not

:puke:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:03 PM
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29. "Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo."
Speaking of history, here are some similiar thoughts on Clinton's military escalation of the war in Kosovo.

"President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be
away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."

-Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it."

-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99

"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."

-Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush


"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning...I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."

-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)


"You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo."

-Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99


"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years"

-Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarifiedrules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"I don't know that Milosevic will ever raise a white flag"

-Senator Don Nickles (R-OK)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"

-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99


"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."

-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)


"This is President Clinton's war, and when he falls flat on his face, that's his problem."

-Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)

"The two powers that have ICBMs that can reach the United States are Russia and China. Here we go in. We're taking on not just Milosevic. We can't just say, 'that little guy, we can whip him.' We have these two other powers that have missiles that can reach us, and we have zero defense thanks to this president."

-Senator James Inhofe (R-OK)


"You can support the troops but not the president"

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)


"My job as majority leader is be supportive of our troops, try to have input as decisions are made and to look at those decisions after they're made ... not to march in lock step with everything the president decides to do."

-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)


For us to call this a victory and to commend the President of the United States as the Commander in Chief showing great leadership in Operation Allied Force is a farce"
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)


"Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly."

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)


"Once the bombing commenced, I think then Milosevic unleashed his forces, and then that's when the slaughtering and the massive ethnic cleansing really started"

-Senator Don Nickles (R-OK)

"
Clinton's bombing campaign has caused all of these problems to explode"

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)


"America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo's capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country"

-Pat Buchanan (R)


"These international war criminals were led by Gen. Wesley Clark ...who clicked his shiny heels for the commander-in-grief, Bill Clinton."

-Michael Savage


"This has been an unmitigated disaster ... Ask the Chinese embassy. Ask all the people in Belgrade that we've killed. Ask the refugees that we've killed. Ask the people in nursing homes. Ask the people in hospitals."

-Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL)


"It is a remarkable spectacle to see the Clinton Administration and NATO taking over from the Soviet Union the role of sponsoring "wars of national liberation."

-Representative Helen Chenoweth (R-ID)


"America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo's capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country"

-Pat Buchanan (R )


"By the order to launch air strikes against Serbia, NATO and President Clinton have entered uncharted territory in mankind's history. Not even Hitler's grab of the Sudetenland in the 1930s, which eventually led to WW II, ranks as a comparable travesty. For, there are no American interests whatsoever that the NATO bombing will
either help, or protect; only needless risks to which it exposes the American soldiers and assets, not to mention the victims on the ground in Serbia."

-Bob Djurdjevic, founder of Truth in Media
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:41 PM
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31. Mark Twain said history does not repeat itself,
but it rhymes.


"Afghanistan" sorta rhymes with "Viet Nam again."
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:42 PM
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32. The most moving OP I've ever seen here. Thank you nt
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