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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 11:37 PM
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Mr. Friedman.. The country didn't go crazy after 9/11...
The political leadership, such as it was, the national press corp and the elite intelligentsia, which included you, went crazy with blood lust...

If there was any kind of sanity in Washington, New York and Atlanta, perhaps we wouldn't have destroyed the lives of millions of Iraqi's.

Perhaps if all of the above mentioned hadn't gone bat shit crazy, we wouldn't be facing debt as far as the eye can see...

So Mr. Thomas Friedman, saying you went a little bit crazy over 9/11 on The Daily Show doesn't really resolve you from all that your hysteria you fanned with your inflammatory columns...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 11:39 PM
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1. I rec'd and got unrec'd, but Freidman was part of the problem then.
How timely of him to be so magnanimous.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 11:42 PM
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3. I don't undestand these unrecs...
If I don't agree with something I either comment or move on...

BTW, I did a spit take and had to clean up some lemonade when I heard Friedman slough of his response to 9/11 when chatting with Jon.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 11:47 PM
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4. I think Friedman lost a lot of credibility a long time ago.
I learned about him and learned to hate him here. :D
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 11:53 PM
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5. I read one of his pre 9/11 books and thought he was a pompous ass...
After 9/11, he proved it...
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 11:42 PM
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2. The US media and your politicians went into
insanity mode during the following days, weeks, years....
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lxlxlxl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 11:57 PM
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6. this country wanted blood. why is that so hard to digest?
go find some 'bomb hanoi' footage. this country likes to kill. it was easy for your politicians to push this country into iraq, and these people that supported it are our neighbors.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:17 AM
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7. This country did go crazy ...
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 01:14 AM by RoyGBiv
And it's still crazy. We haven't even hit bottom yet.

Friedman went crazier than many, but this is not a zero-sum game. The fact that this idiot is the one pointing out the obvious and trying to use it as an personal excuse does not argue against the level of insanity to which most of us succumbed. It just means he continues to be a self-righteous asshole who can't take responsibility for anything he does or says nor genuinely admit to a mistake.

We can blame the media and our politicians all we want, but it doesn't solve anything. Certainly the media played their part in this comedy of collective insanity, and our politicians were by and large just as shitty as they've always been, playing on people's worst fears while silently pocketing the bonus checks their blood lust helped fuel.

But we don't get off so lightly. We sat here, those of us who opposed each and every thing that happened, and we banged on our keyboards, and we shouted and screamed and thought of fancy new nicknames for Republicans and the Democrats we don't like, but we didn't truly do anything but play our own rhetorical games. We pretended that because we disagreed, that this somehow left us as an island of sanity.

I do not remove myself from this equation nor do I point fingers specifically at anyone. This isn't about blame. We're all in this mess. We all created it or by lack of action allowed it to be created, and we continue to pay our taxes like good citizens do, and we go to work if we're lucky enough to be employed, and pay our bills if we can. We buy shit we don't need to impress people we don't like and entertain ourselves with "art" we later declare sucks ass. We run our fingers threadbare, blog our way into hysterics and occasionally get outside in the fresh air for a march or two or possibly even to yell at people in real life and check out their signs. But there we are. That's the game. If anything about it were threatening to the status quo, the powers that insist on its maintenance wouldn't be so obvious.

And I don't know the answer. No one here in my years at DU has even suggested the answer that I recall. It didn't take us 8 years to get here, nor 12 or 50. It took a couple centuries, but here we are, and we're not going to get out of it any time soon, certainly not by pointing fingers while at the same time filling the war chests of those who have the most to gain by our continued, implied acquiescence.

The United States of America: Our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world.

Edit: typo
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:21 AM
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8. Great post, RoyGBiv. I wish we had an answer. nt
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:35 AM
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10. Me too, Sister ...

Me too. 'Cause you're one person I'd listen to.

DU depresses me lately. It seems to have made a lot of people really angry, but I'm almost maudlin. One could imagine that the collective intelligence here or places like it could be harnessed into a sort of "solution cloud," but I don't even know how to go about even getting that network powered up, much less set to a task with so many incredibly complex, interlocking variables.

I think I'm starting truly to believe in Tip's advice that I intellectually accept but too often don't act upon: All politics is local.

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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:25 AM
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9. +1 -> It took a couple centuries nt
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:54 AM
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11. It is frustrating on so many levels...
I was deeply involved with electoral politics. The thing is, once you get in, your mission is to stay in, not let anything impede your career path.

Loyalties are shifted away from the bright eyed volunteers that once gave you hope toward cynical operators who know that eventually you will come around to their way of thinking. And if you don't, well there are hundreds of people all ready in your pocket so what harm could one idealist do?

I remember when Paul Wellstone went down and the reaction of the republicans at the sporadic grief induced partisan ship at the funeral and how they were able to blow that into painting the left, as it were, as bat shit crazy. Meanwhile, they defamed a war hero in the quest to ut another empty suit in the Senate. What good has Saxbe Chambliss done since taking out Max Cleland?

The powers that be will stop at nothing.

It's so hard to buck the system. It's almost impossible to win an election without big money on your side. I know. Been there, done that.

Still, I am not desperately cynical. Not by a long shot. Every now and then, something out of the ordinary happens and Al Franken gets elected.
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