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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:41 AM
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Malalai Joya -- Afghani, who might actually deserve the Nobel Peace, on Obama's War
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 01:46 AM by Postman
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:57 AM
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1. the President said it better himself.....
The people of Afghanistan have endured violence for decades. They have been confronted with occupation - by the Soviet Union, and then by foreign al Qaeda fighters who used Afghan land for their own purposes. So tonight, I want the Afghan people to understand - America seeks an end to this era of war and suffering. We have no interest in occupying your country.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/01/obama-afghanistan-speech-text-excerpts_n_376088.htm
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:05 AM
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2. BS
We're not occupying we're just staying a while..... a looonnnggg while....
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:24 AM
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3. No, actually, the President said more....
he clearly stated,
"America has no interest in fighting an endless war in Afghanistan."

Too fucking bad for you that the war will end.

I'm sure that you can find something else to hate this President for,
when this is over though.....cause there's plenty out there.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:26 AM
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4. It's a bullshit statement.
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 02:27 AM by Postman
"we have no interest"? Really?

"we have no interest in fighting an endless war" ...therefore I am escalating this war because we hate war.....
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:27 AM
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6. too fucking bad for you that the war will end..
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 02:28 AM by frylock
you have really lost it. i guess this is what happens when one invests too much emotionally. if you honestly believe that people who are against this escalation want the war to go on just to prove you and obama wrong, then you really need to take a break.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:36 AM
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8. I haven't lost anything....
I don't believe that OBama is the magic Negro.....that is all.
I believe he gave us an exit strategy,
that is being deliberately ignored.

I don't think folks are wrong to be against the surge if that is what they choose,
but I do think that they are only righteous because they can afford to be.

And yes, I do think that for some, it is almost a game....
Let's see how many things we can demand that were never supposed to ever be.



First, there are those who suggest that Afghanistan is another Vietnam. They argue that it cannot be stabilized, and we are better off cutting our losses and rapidly withdrawing. Yet this argument depends upon a false reading of history. Unlike Vietnam, we are joined by a broad coalition of 43 nations that recognizes the legitimacy of our action. Unlike Vietnam, we are not facing a broad-based popular insurgency. And most importantly, unlike Vietnam, the American people were viciously attacked from Afghanistan, and remain a target for those same extremists who are plotting along its border. To abandon this area now - and to rely only on efforts against al Qaeda from a distance - would significantly hamper our ability to keep the pressure on al Qaeda, and create an unacceptable risk of additional attacks on our homeland and our allies.


Second, there are those who acknowledge that we cannot leave Afghanistan in its current state, but suggest that we go forward with the troops that we have. But this would simply maintain a status quo in which we muddle through, and permit a slow deterioration of conditions there. It would ultimately prove more costly and prolong our stay in Afghanistan, because we would never be able to generate the conditions needed to train Afghan Security Forces and give them the space to take over.


Finally, there are those who oppose identifying a timeframe for our transition to Afghan responsibility. Indeed, some call for a more dramatic and open-ended escalation of our war effort - one that would commit us to a nation building project of up to a decade. I reject this course because it sets goals that are beyond what we can achieve at a reasonable cost, and what we need to achieve to secure our interests. Furthermore, the absence of a timeframe for transition would deny us any sense of urgency in working with the Afghan government. It must be clear that Afghans will have to take responsibility for their security, and that America has no interest in fighting an endless war in Afghanistan.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/01/obama-afghanistan-speech-text-excerpts_n_376088.html
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:45 AM
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9. yes, i listened to the speech on the drive home..
but thanks for the recap. i look forward to them over the next several days.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:27 AM
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5. We are already occupying their country.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:34 AM
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7. They'll never win it, too narrow of a scope
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 05:58 AM
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10. Interview with Ms Joya: A Woman Among Warlords
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