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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:47 PM
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Q. What is the single most effective way to get everybody to become anti-war?
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 11:56 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
A. Why, elect a Democrat President of the United States.

Based on my observations of the last two Presidencies, as well as the current Democratic administration, I have come to the unavoidable conclusion that the instant a Democrat becomes POTUS, being anti-war seems to suddenly become very popular with everybody, at least moreso than whenever we have a Republican POTUS. I don't think that it is because Democrats have some kind of track record of failure when it comes to military conflicts (after all, WW2 was won within approximately FOUR years under FDR/Truman). No, mostly it seems to be simply because a Democrat has been elected POTUS. :shrug:
Once a Democrat becomes POTUS, the normally "war lusting" corporate media whores whom never hesitate to "cheerlead" for the most recent Republican-initiated military conflict- whether or not it's actually a necessary intervention- suddenly become a LOT more skeptical and cool about the use of military force whenever a Democrat is CIC. For instance, suddenly, according to the press, Afghanistan is now "Vietnam Redux" or "Obama's Vietnam" despite the strenuous attempts by the corporate media whores during the past eight years to avoid any such comparisons in regards to Bush's handling of Afghanistan and his invasion/occupation of Iraq. The corporate media whores never failed to "cheerlead" for nor critically examined either conflict either until several years into them and they mostly focused on Iraq.
The GOP, a party certainly NOT known for harboring "pacifist tendencies" doesn't hesitate to criticize the way a Democratic President handles military conflicts even if there are no American casualties (i.e. Kosovo) and will scream bloody murder and howl for immediate and unconditional withdrawal if and when things go bad (i.e. Somalia) even if it is a conflict that THEY initiated (and, as is often the case, mismanaged) and left for their Democratic successors. Of course, the Republicans simply want the Democrats to fail and, given their usual hypocritical tendencies, I guess that their feelings about a Democrat being the nation's CIC shouldn't really be too surprising.
Even Democrats, many of whom seem to unconditionally support military conflicts initiated by Republicans and/or at least continue unconditionally supporting the necessary funding to keep them going in perpetuity (i.e. Iraq) suddenly seem to find their *courage* (aka "balls") to take on their party leader and decide that we simply can't afford any more funding for a military conflict even if it's something that they (used to) feel should've been done in the first place- and even if there is a revamped strategy and timetable for withdrawal (i.e. Afghanistan).
So, all things considered, it seems to me that all anybody who truly wants our country to be totally be free from further military interventions needs to do is keep ensuring that only Democrats get elected POTUS because then (and maybe ONLY then) EVERYBODY, Democrats and Republicans alike will finally come together and stand UNITED in questioning and opposing ANY and all further military interventions, escalations, war spending, changes in strategy, etc. regardless of their merit and/or need. Whereas, with Republicans in the WH, we will continue getting an endless stream of "wars of choice" and "wars without end" and the merits thereof will NEVER be critically examined or questioned by the corporate media whores or even your Democratic representatives in Congress (with few exceptions) nor will they EVER be defunded or have "strings attached" to further funding thereof.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:53 PM
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1. Your first line pissed me off... "How to elect a Democrat President of the United States?...
How about Democratic President of the United States?
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:54 PM
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2. Wasn't trying to be offensive
I thought that I was using it appropriately (gramatically speaking)
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:58 PM
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7. It's just that the Repugs. use that slur and it grats on my one last nerve.. lol
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:59 PM
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8. mine too!
When did that start anyway?
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:17 AM
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18. I still don't get why this makes people pissed off....
nt
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:54 PM
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3. I read it as "elect a Democrat [as] President of the United States."
FWIW.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:24 AM
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14. Exactly. Me, too. n/t
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:56 PM
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4. One effective way to make most normal people anti-war ...
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 11:59 PM by lpbk2713




... take a tour through any VA hospital.

I qualify that by saying 'most normal people' because obviously it does not apply to rethuglicans.



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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:56 PM
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5. Yeah, sorry I am being a little over critical... But I guess it is the times here on DU...
Just saying.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:58 PM
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6. That's o.k.
I know things here a bit tense as of late (to put it mildly) :hi:
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:25 AM
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9. A War Tax...
Legislate that any combat related expenditures may not be folded into the current budget but must instead be supported by a temporary tax increase until military actions cease.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:31 AM
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10. Reinstate the draft.
That will kill a lot of enthusiasm for killing.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:54 AM
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11. Ding ding ding...
...we have a winner
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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 01:00 AM
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12. +1 mandatory service for all, even that rich Senator's son.
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 01:03 AM by phasma ex machina
Pacifists can serve by cleaning latrines.

OTOH some people deem my ideas fascist.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:31 AM
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15. No deferments
Everyone serves to the fullest extent of their capabilities. No exceptions.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:50 AM
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17. That's it!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:20 AM
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19. Exactly..
... with NO DEFERMENTS other than physically/mentally unfit to serve.

Send a few rich kids off to die for nothing and this thing will end pronto.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 01:35 AM
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13. I assume you meant make all Americans anti-war.
Because electing Democratic Presidents doesn't mean shit in the rest of the world.

And the way to make people anti-war is to send them to war. In almost all cases, the first time you hold a friend in your arms while his guts and blood are spilling over your lap you become anti-war. Anyone who goes through that and still likes war is psychotic.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:38 AM
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16. I think a war tax might end it rather effectively
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