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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:13 PM Original message |
Poll question: Is this sentence too harsh? Man Who Mugged a 101-Year-Old Woman Gets 75 Years in Prison |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. I remember the story. The video shows him rabbit punching the woman in the face. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. He may as well have mugged a 4 year old or a golden retriever. Lock 'im up. nt |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. my grams is 101, and mentally in great shape |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. 75 years is overkill. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I'm leaning toward that position though I copped out and voted "I don't know" |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I voted the way I did based on no weapon, and minor injuries. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. As if he'll ever serve anywhere close to half that long. |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Are you saying he will die in prison or that he will be paroled? |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Appeals of the sentence and parole |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. How does that relevant to my opinion of the sentence being overkill? |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. How does it? It does because we hear things like "75 years" and think "that's |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. You have based your reaction on conjecture and hypotheticals. |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
7. This is just another typically excessive sentence. We're quite fond of them. |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. 20 years for murder is too short. |
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Journeyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. The woman who raised me was murdered. Her assailant got 4 years in prison . . . |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. 4 years?!?!?!?! |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
10. hate crimes? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. The motive was robbery, the victims were elderly women. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. 51 is elderly? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. I don't see 51 as elderly. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. His specific targets were the 'easy pickins' - same as it ever was for all muggers. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. The "easy pickins" were old women. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Coincidence or motivating hate? I need much more convincing that he chose them |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. All women. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Muggers are opportunistic. |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
13. He'll never serve the whole sentence. |
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Demobrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
15. He should stay in prison until |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Sensible. I like that. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
16. The question I would like answered: |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. no, because 21-yo black men are not a protected class, as apparently |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Would he have survived? |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Why? n/t |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. A 21 year old black man would at least have the ability to fight back |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. Have you ever been hit in the head a few times? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. No. But if he had mugged 6 21-year-old black men, possibly. |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. He's black himself. How could mugging people of your own race be a hate crime? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. If he chose them because they were black, then it is a hate crime. |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. That's not necessarily true at all. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I think you need to re-read my post. |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. No, I totally understood your post. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Which is why I said: "without other evidence it would be difficult to prove." |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Whoosh - |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Well, the Jews who helped the Nazis did so out of fear or for financial gain. |
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jmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
38. My brother recently broke his arm. |
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Demobrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. Depends. Is the hypothetical 21-year-old black man |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
23. Do the math |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
24. That's way out of line. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
27. No. This wopman lived over a century, and some THUG ATTACKS HER?? She COULD have DIED. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
29. 30 Years with no possibility of parole seems about right. |
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Booster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
35. He more than likely would have killed his next victim, or the one |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
44. "offering to help her outside as she walked toward the door using a walker" |
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crazyjoe (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
46. it's basically a life sentence, hopfully his fellow inmates will |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
48. I'm not sure this is the proper application of Hate Crime legislation. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
52. Don't hate crimes usually carry greater sentences than other crimes of the same magnitude? |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
54. Mugging and beating the shit out of them. Fuck that predator. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
55. Vile human being. I'm certainly not going to quibble with the sentence, excessive or not. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
57. He's 47 years old and mugging old ladies? |
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