The two SecSvc agents that got suspended today ... and will probably be fired .... do you think ..

[Stinky The Clown]

.... that ought to be the end of things?

What about the people who supervised them? What about their redundant agents (there *is* redundancy, isn't there)? What about the plans that have no doubt been in place for keeping secure a state dinner?

If just these two bozos take the fall for this, then I would believe that we witnessed a whitewashing.

Context: GlamGateDate Fallout

[Toucano]

1. I don't understand this story.

As I see it, two people were admitted to a party without an invitation. Why wouldn't they simply review the security procedures and revise them to prevent this from happening again? I don't understand why ANYONE has to be fired considering no harm was done. There are enough people looking for work.

The crashers were not ejected from the party or were they?

How was it discovered aftwards that they had been there without an invitation?

[Whisp]

4. the couple bragged about it on their facebook the next day...

I think that is how it was discovered.
not sure tho, not really following too closely all I want is those two assholes sent to jail to cool their unhealthy reality show needs.

[Stinky The Clown]

7. I'd be just as happy if they get away with it. I file this whole thing under "Who Gives A Shit"

This is my first post on this matter. And my post is intended to be about little guys taking the fall when the big guys are "at fault".

See Capt Hilts' post down (or is it up?) thread to see other examples of this shit.

[Captain Hilts]

2. There's obviously a problem with procedures. For example, a sub skipper was fired

when two crew members drowned on deck when leaving Portsmouth, England in rough weather. But he was following standard naval procedures. They need to re-think how it happened, not who did it.

I'd hate for this to be like Abu Graib where only junior enlisted and one National Guard general were the only ones punished. No OOD lieutenants, majors, etc.

[monmouth]

3. I read somewhere (HuffPo I think) that the two were put on leave...n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

5. Yes they were ...... and they are beng considered for termination.

[anarch]

10. my god, they're going to kill them!!?!!??

personally I just think the SS personnel should just be reassigned to some kind of obnoxious detail and kept away from the White House for a while. And the two offending citizens should be punished by never again being allowed on TV, ever.

[mullard12ax7]

6. This is a media-created event that doesn't even exist

The "gate crashers" were well known in D.C. as political "scenesters". The SS recognized them, know who they are and let them in knowing there were no threat and a part of the D.C. political landscape. Nothing happened, it's a completely fabricated story so the media can sell gossip.

[Stinky The Clown]

8. If that's the case, its kinda the shits that two people lose their careers over it.

[dgibby]

12. And you have proof to back this up?

Links please.

[Bitwit1234]

9. What makes me angry

is the way the media is fawning over these CROOKS and they are crooks, the violated the White HOuse protocol. And the way this woman flounces around an acts like she is hot crap. I think they should both be arrested.

[Stinky The Clown]

13. I don't think "cheesy" or "tacky" are illegal

No matter how monumentally cheesy or tacky one is.

It **ought** to be ...... but its not.

[spanone]

11. they were charged with protecting the President of the United States, you can't fuck around

and not follow procedure

[Stinky The Clown]

15. My point is ...... they were, in all likelihood, not the only ones who failed that night

Why was there no redundancy to their duties .... or if there was, why did it fail, too?

Who made the operational plan? Why wasn't this anticipated? There is a tape of them being announced by name. Who put their name on the announcer's list?

There was **lots** of failures. I just don't want these two guys - lowest on the shit pile - to be the ones who take the fall.

I'm not arguing with you. I'm taking issue with the way we **always** start at the bottom, look to the top, and then say "never mind .... move along ...... nothing to see here".

Lynde England/Abu Gahraib being a case in point.

[dgibby]

14. The WH is also responsible.

SOP is for the WH social office to provide someone with the guest list to be present to help the SS. That didn't happen, according to CNN.

In addition, there was a WaPo reporter there with a guest list who picked up on the fact that these gatecrashers weren't on the list. She addressed the issue with 2 members of the WH staff, who a. didn't know why they were there, and b. didn't do anything about it. So it would appear, there's plenty of blame to go around.

The fact that nothing bad happened does not negate the fact that this was a serious breach of security. The potential for disaster was certainly there. Could you imagine what would have happened if they'd been armed with Ricin or some other equally deadly chemical? Think of the number of people in govt.who would have been dead in that room. The POTUS, VP, Speaker of the House, the whole chain of succession. It would have been a nightmare.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. All true. All strengthening my point. These two low level guys had better not be the end of this.

Yes, it was potentially catastrophic. That said, I could care less if the Anne Coulter Lookalike and her cherubic and fawning hubby get off scott free or not. As a matter of fact, in a Robin Hood sort of way, I hope they do.

But the lessons taken ought to be deadly serious and someone with horsepower needs to step up and say it was **His** or **Her** fuckup.

And then nobly fall on the sword.

[dgibby]

18. Indeed!

I do disagree on the fate of the crashers, though. I think they need to do hard time in the big house.

[Fumesucker]

19. I'm not sure I've heard what law the "crashers" may have broken..

Can anyone tell me the law in this particular case?

[dgibby]

22. Lying to the SS, I believe, is a fed offense. n/t

[Fumesucker]

23. How do we know they lied?

I've seen no transcript or heard no recording of their conversation with the SS..

Does such a thing exist?

[dgibby]

25. They presented themselves to the SS at the check in as invited guests, according to witnesses.

Source: CNN

[Stinky The Clown]

26. That may be true .... but it is far less clear if they actually committed any crime.

[Fumesucker]

20. Stinky, you and I agree on so many things it's uncanny sometimes..

And I agree with you once more, only the guys at the bottom of the organizational table are gonna take the fall for this, that's just the way our culture rolls nowadays.

[Beacool]

17. Fire Desiree Rogers.

It should have been her job to have someone with the guest list at the entrance double checking that every guest was on the list; also in case that someone who was invited was omitted inadvertently from the list. She is the social secretary, that should have been part of her duties. The SS agents should not be the ones taking the brunt of the blame.

:shrug:

[elehhhhna]

21. horseflop. The SS has no excuse whatsoever including the incredibly lame

"there wasn't anyone there to tell us what to do". PUH-LEEZE!

[Stinky The Clown]

24. I think it is much more a case of "both" rather than "either/or"

There was much in the way of fucking up that night. It is far too simple to say "fire her" or "fire him" or "fire them".

There is the possibility of truth in the statement "there wasn't anyone there to tell us what to do". She is, indeed, the social secretary. It is, indeed, her job to mind the door - or see to it that the door is minded.

Neither of us know who had what list or if the list was available or if the list that night was much more faulty than we know causing Frick and Frack to trust that this well dressed, well spoken couple when they said "there must be some mistake".

Hopefully the truth will out.

I doubt my hope will be met.

And just these two (now three, by the way) career Little Guys will find themselves unemployed while the people who wrote a faulty list, who developed a faulty standard operating procedure, who inadequately trained Larry, Moe, and now Curly, who did all manner of fucking up, will all walk away unscathed. Its the American way.

See: England, Lynnde (minimally intelligent, minimally functional, halfwit, amateur Bondage and Humiliation model, and above all, scapegoat.)