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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 04:53 PM
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US Afghanistan counter-insurgency strategy looks like spaghetti on this map
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 05:18 PM by bigtree
from Richard Engel, NBC News Chief Foreign Correspondent: http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/02/2140281.aspx


According to an unclassified military document from the office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff obtained by NBC News, the COIN strategy has a basic goal. The document says to successfully conduct a counterinsurgency, U.S. and NATO forces "must accomplish three tasks simultaneously":

"Influence insurgent-minded individuals to adopt a neutral disposition."

"Influence neutral-minded individuals to adopt a supportive disposition."

"Retain supportive individuals."

In other words, COIN’s goal is to convince militants to stop fighting and to persuade Afghans sitting on the fence – those unsure whether to back the Taliban or President Hamid Karzai’s government – to throw their support behind the U.S.-backed government and its security forces.

Sounds simple …
It sounds simple. But an attempt to visualize the strategy reveals how immensely complicated it is for U.S. forces to accomplish.

Below is the military’s schematic, a map of the counter insurgency strategy, that shows what U.S. troops hope to accomplish in Afghanistan.



:crazy:

full size maps: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/Afghanistan_Dynamic_Planning.pdf
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 04:55 PM
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1. Looks easy enough. That surely won't take longer than 18 months.
:crazy:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:15 PM
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5. the plan
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 04:57 PM
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2. Add kerosene, boil for 18 months, and VOILA!, the pottery barn is gone to be replaced by monument
to the dead.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:18 PM
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6. .
:(
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 04:59 PM
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3. That makes me dizzy n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 06:03 PM
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7. I know
Looks just like what I'd expect from this plan. Dizzying.
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:13 PM
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4. This should be easy.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 06:11 PM
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8. Two things... it is not a military document (consulting group logo clearly displayed)
and just because a diagram is complex does not imply that it has any correlation to the problem.

Republicans are fond of drawing up complex graphs, like this one on healthcare:

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:35 PM
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14. you didn't read the article did you?
According to an unclassified military document from the office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff obtained by NBC News
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 06:34 PM
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9. I like spaghetti.
Make mine with pesto, please.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:39 PM
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15. this one comes with the red sauce
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 06:38 PM
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10. Reminds me of one of these
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 06:40 PM
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11. This is the exact same thing that Alexander the Great did and look what happened to him.
All his elephants froze before he sacked Gaul.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 06:48 PM
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12. That is one of the most bogus flow charts I have ever seen; truly the product...
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 06:49 PM by bridgit
of cluttered minds that have 'thought' right past (and are proud of it) what is more likely going on - which makes them the last people to be planning anything in the ME
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 06:50 PM
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13. Jeezum-crow. It'll take longer than 18 months just for them to figure out this travesty.
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 07:03 PM by StarfarerBill
It'd make Rube Goldberg's head explode.

:wow:
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:47 PM
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16. Someone once said you have to plan for success... well that is one heck of a plan
I tried reading it at the link where individual sections are broken out for clearer understanding, and I must say in small enough pieces it seems logical enough. But put it all together into a coherent plan represented by a flow chart, and it is beyond comprehension.

How do you think commanders in the field are going to implement something like this?

Winning plans are simple enough for everyone to understand, and have plenty of details for implementation.

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