'Adapt or die' becomes mantra against warming

[Contrary1]

Some species adjust, but humans hampered by costs and speed of change

"With the world losing the battle against global warming so far, experts are warning that humans need to follow nature's example: Adapt or die.

That means elevating buildings, making taller and stronger dams and seawalls, rerouting water systems, restricting certain developments, changing farming practices and ultimately moving people, plants and animals out of harm's way.

Adapting to rising seas and higher temperatures is expected to be a big topic at the U.N. climate-change talks in Copenhagen next week, along with the projected cost — hundreds of billions of dollars, much of it going to countries that cannot afford to do it themselves.

That adaptation will be a major focus is remarkable in itself. Until the past couple of years, experts avoided talking about adjusting to global warming for fear of sounding fatalistic or causing countries to back off efforts to reduce emissions..."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34261272/ns/us_news-environment/

[BeHereNow]

1. No worry, the elite and our congress have made preparations.

They are giddy over the prospect that when the rest of us perish,
they will have the planet all to themselves.

And no, I am not being sarcastic.

BHN

[Nay]

9. Exactly. Anyone who thinks that there will be plans to help any of

us who aren't the top one percent are delusional. They're looking forward to our deaths so they can have more, more, more.

[Feron]

11. Well they'll have to keep some of us around.

I don't see any one percenters changing a diaper, doing manual labor, housekeeping, working in a factory, etc. Those overpriced designer clothes don't make themselves.

But I don't see them exerting any effort to help people in need that aren't in the "big club". The most us proles will get are token gestures and the occasional crumb.

[zonkers]

23. Sad to say, I see it among my own friends/acquaintances. Monied folks cluster together and are in

it to win. Sigh.

[BeHereNow]

28. In a word, Katrina.

When climate change and other forces in play strike with full force,
one need only to see how the victims of Katrina were "managed" to
see the future for the rest of us.

BHN

[Rhiannon12866]

2. K&R! Very enlightening... We'd better get busy!

What RW senator was it who said that climate change wasn't a problem, since we'd all get used to warmer weather, anyway? x(

[tabatha]

3. Yep, do everything at the tail end to deal with it

but very little up front to mitigate it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091204/ap_on_sc/sci_climate_adapting

[NYC_SKP]

4. Wow. But taller and stronger dams and seawalls will just insure greater catastophies when they fail

We gotta go with the flow, adaptation is different from resistance, which is what some of these measures represent.

Very interesting nonetheless.

:patriot:

[Triana]

5. If we/they had gotten the a$$es busy 50 years ago on this we woldn't HAVE to "adapt or die"

Now, we're sunk. By our own collective hands. Hoo-mans: Sawing off the very branch upon which our existence is perched, with amazing idiot glee . . . here we go . . . we're going down.

[imdjh]

13. Read the article. This is about MONEY

[Triana]

24. Of course it is. Isn't it always? n/t

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[Contrary1]

7. Sure you are...

A scientist I mean. If you had bothered to read the article at all, you might have noticed it is from AP. Would it have been more credible to you if I had posted it from Fox?

Here ya go: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579206,00.html

[gristy]

8. Oh, my.

And to think I already wasted 37 seconds reading your drivel. And now I'm typing a reply!

[Kali]

10. are you getting paid?

can you send me a link or an application or something? I could use a little extra cash right now.

[imdjh]

12. This article as written has no business in the news section. It's propaganda.

[Kali]

17. I see the shill I was responding to got a pizza.

[imdjh]

18. Do you honestly think anyone gets paid for blathering on bulletin boards?

The first time I heard that accusation was during the Clinton administration and the wingnuts were claiming that we had people in the "basement of the White house" (why people think this would happen in a basement, I don't know) posting for profit. As if anyone cares what it written on bulletin boards. IN some circles, what we do here is considered one step up from video games.

[Kali]

20. I honestly have no idea - thought I was being clever

instead of asking what they wanted on their pizza - it was all sarcasm. There were some posts last year that the McCain campaign was rewarding people but I certainly never investigated whether it was true or not - sounds plausible but again that wasn't really my point - I was just calling out a troll.

[Occulus]

27. Actually, yes, people really DO get paid for spreading disinformation online.

http://payperpost.com/

http://www.postonmyforum.com/

I thought this was common knowledge. Oh, and I think the video game industry brings in more lucre each year than Hollywood these days; they're simply not just for kids anymore.

[amborin]

14. most species can't adapt that quickly; global warming = death

[imdjh]

21. If it were rats, mosquitoes, and jellyfish threatened would anyone care?

[amborin]

22. what's

your point?

maybe i'm tired, but i'm not getting it

many, many bird and animal species are already imperiled by global climate change....temps too hot, forcing them to migrate farther north or not as far south or earlier or later than usual.....this puts birds, e.g., out of sync with their 'normal' food sources, for starters

[zbdent]

15. the deniers better be supporters of evolution ...

[The2ndWheel]

16. "England is strengthening the Thames River flood control barrier"

Control isn't adapting.

"The Netherlands is making its crucial flood control system stronger"

Again.

"California is redesigning the gates that move water around"

Yeah, we don't get to move water around if we're adapting.

"Researchers are uprooting moisture-loving trees"

We're not adapting to our surroundings, we're attempting to control them.

"Singapore plans to cut its flood-prone areas in half by 2011 by widening and deepening drains and canals and completing a $226 million dam at the mouth of the city's main river."

Not even close.

[imdjh]

19. Get rid of national flood insurance in the US and you'll see some serious adaptation- over night.

[beyond cynical]

25. Relax, your time will have passed should this becomes an issue.

[imdjh]

26. OMFG - ONE Degree in 100 years!!11!

Anyone remember the winter of 1990? Isn't that the year that the US Northeast almost froze to death because the temp didn't go above freezing for 17 days straight as far south as Washington or Richmond, and a month elsewhere?