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Fri Dec-04-09 04:33 PM
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Who Would You Rather See in 2012? |
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The disillusionment is palpable. The broken promises, the sloth, the ineffectiveness, the Wall Street cronyism, the failure to stand-up to GOP bullies and a disingenuous MSM.
So who is your pick to succeed He-Who-Has-So-Utterly-Broken-Your-Heart?
A) Former AK Gov. Sarah Palin
B) MN Gov. Tim Pawlenty
C) Former MA Gov. Mitt Romney
D) Former TX Gov. Rick Perry
Surely, these will be the people to fulfill your dreams of gay rights, abortion coverage, healthcare reform, environmental stewardship and ending the wars without end.
Who knows, maybe in 2010 they'll also get a congress that will work for them unlike what Obama endures now.
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:34 PM
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1. yawn. this is a boring argument as well as a bad one |
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and I'm someone who will almost certainly vote for Obama in 2012.
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:36 PM
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2. You're forgetting the choice of a Dem who challenges Obama... |
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If the Dem base is unhappy at that time, it could happen - though I doubt voters will be THAT unhappy.
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:39 PM
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Not only would that be unprecedented it would be an admission of having chosen poorly the last time around.
Besides, would challenge Obama with even a chance to the primary let alone the general?
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:42 PM
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12. Unprecedented? So what? Obama's election was unprecedented... |
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If people are unhappy, they won't care about saying the prez turned out to be different than they had hoped.
A great challenger would have a chance at either.
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:51 PM
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26. We'd still be laid bare to RW clucking... |
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"Why should we believe your 2012 is so great if you dumped your own president that y'all were so-o-o jazzed about in 2008?"
Even the Quitta from Wasilla would be allowed to throw that one around.
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:02 PM
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36. Who cares what the right says? Obama's biggest mistake is caring about opinions on the right. nt |
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:03 PM
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:05 PM
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40. Independents are followers - they'll go with the side that looks like a winner... |
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It'll be an interesting election for sure!
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:16 PM
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46. How could we look like winners... |
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...after saying we failed so-o-o badly we bounced our own president?
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:20 PM
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49. Dem voters would look at it as HIM failing, not them. nt |
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Fri Dec-04-09 06:29 PM
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If we desert him the indies have no reason to follow.
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Sat Dec-05-09 08:48 AM
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58. They'll follow whoever looks to be winning - Obama or the new guy/gal... |
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They just want to be on the winning team.
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:42 PM
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Obama won't run. Hillary will. Hillary vs Palin. How can you not see that? |
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:48 PM
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24. Why wouldn't Obama run in 2012? |
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:53 PM
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29. For the good of the party? |
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His legacy is set. First African American President. Done.
His policies are corporate, in spite of the FDRish image the campaign tried to create with Hope and Change. (Not bashing here, that's just reality) There is no place else for the corporate Democrats to go as they are in league with the corporate Republicans.
First Female President.
Hillary vs Palin
Media spectacle! Voter interest! (Corporate policies intact!)
:shrug:
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:59 PM
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1. there was a great deal of acrimony vs Hillary in the last primary. I was an Obama voter but even I was distressed at the level of rancor aimed at her...some of it bordering on sexist.
2. The GOP will say--and deservedly so--"If Hillary so much better than Obama why didn't you run Hillary in 2008?"
Nobody is going to say, "We made a mistake we deeply regret." We'd be savaged.
We will say, "He was the person we needed at this time."
To wit we'll hear, "So what changed?"
What are we going to say? "It's all better now, crisis over."
When has any president quit after making things better?
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:03 PM
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37. LOL well there ya go! |
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"When has any president quit after making things better?"
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:15 PM
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45. There are no words... |
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Fri Dec-04-09 08:16 PM
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56. Third party landslide! |
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Not sure which third party, but I can guarantee you nobody I know would vote for Hillary or Moosealini. If that happens, the Green party better take the opportunity and get a solid candidate.
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:10 PM
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:37 PM
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3. Outside of the letter at the end of the name is there any real difference? |
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Its pretty much guaranteed the end results (economically) wont differ much.
The same power brokers will still be calling the shots.
The only difference is the face lying to you at the end of the day.
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:40 PM
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7. Do you really think Obama is a liar? |
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Everyone was aglow during the campaign.
Are we that easily duped or is he that nefarious (dare we say: a better liar than his predecessor)?
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:42 PM
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14. "Everyone was aglow during the campaign." - well, no. |
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:44 PM
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But thats not to say he is being told the truth by those advisers he relies on.
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:41 PM
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10. Yes. There's a gynormous difference between Obama and Palin |
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it's beyond pathetic that you can't see it or acknowledge it or whatever.
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:51 PM
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27. You'll note I specifically said economically |
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Obama and the right have economic policies that more often resemble each other than they are different.
They both believe in free market ideology, with trickle down the underpinning of every thing they do.
Thats why Obama's policies in dealing with the economic crisis have been almost completely targeted at securing the wealthy so far.
Eventually he might really try to directly aid the rest of us (and no, $16 per week in tax cuts isnt much help), but that will only be if he finds he has no choice because the wealthy find themselves needing more money spent by the rest of us so they can continue increasing their bank accounts.
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:18 PM
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47. That's the shit Nader peddled in 2000. I see people STILL |
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haven't learned. :spank: WTF would it take to force "progressives" to remember more than just the previous week?
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:37 PM
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5. Rec. Good post - thanks. |
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Obama has not broken my heart in any way whatsoever. He is a lot more conservative than I expected, but he is dealing with the really difficult problems all of our presidents since LBJ put on hold, and it seems what he is doing is starting to work. I did not expect immediate radical change to the US government-it does not work that way. I did expect better from our Democrats in congress, but that's another thread.
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:40 PM
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8. That is your defense of Obama? "He's better than Rick Perry!" |
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:43 PM
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17. What I'm saying is that if we allow ourselves to be ruled by... |
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...our sense of disappointment we all but guarantee a republican president.
If you think your agenda is frustrated now wait until a RWer get hold of it!
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:47 PM
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22. There are other Democrats available for 2012. nt |
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:54 PM
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30. If there were better democrats in 2008 we wouldn't be... |
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...acting so hurt in 2009.
Hillary--awesome though she is--wasa measured and found wanting.
So who would--successfully--challenge Obama for the nomination?
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:55 PM
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31. Please. Surely you realize that the *best* Democrats have no chance to win. |
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:04 PM
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39. I thought the best democrat did very well last year. |
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:09 PM
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42. Yes, ma'am. We realize you like him, I am happy for you. |
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:47 PM
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23. Wait, don't we already have a republican president? nt |
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:52 PM
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As Cali noted: if you can't tell the difference...
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:41 PM
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9. Joe Scarborough. That's as far as I'll accept. Anything worse and it's adios America. Im outta here |
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Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 04:42 PM by Shagbark Hickory
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:42 PM
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13. and your point is? 'your dreams' obviously not yours....alert |
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:42 PM
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15. I'm hoping for the guy I worked for and voted for and donated to in 2008 |
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You know, THIS guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZG8Zq8V54kWhatever happened to him?
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:43 PM
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16. LOL...setting that bar pretty high. |
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Nice argument....for a 9th grader.
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:44 PM
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19. OK, so if Obama doesn't take 2012... |
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...who does?
And how will Obama win without us?
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:57 PM
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32. I'll eat my hat if Obama loses in 2012. |
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:08 PM
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41. I'll eat your hat too |
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Because I think when the naysayers are confronted with the possibility of a hard right winger winning (Remember: the tea parties were a party purge) they will return to the good senses that made them progressives to begin with.
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:44 PM
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20. Why do you hate 9th graders? |
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:58 PM
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33. They're little bastards, and they smell bad. |
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:46 PM
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21. Fortunately, my ballot comes with more than 2 options. |
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Fri Dec-04-09 04:50 PM
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25. You need to put Obama's name on that because he's not going to do any of the stuff |
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Fri Dec-04-09 07:07 PM
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:14 PM
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44. It seems like congress does whatever repub presidents want |
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without a fight. I never saw a repub senator/congressman talk trash about Bush on the air. Yet every night we see elected dems throwing Obama under the bus (along with the repubs).
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:19 PM
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48. I'll take famous Klingon insults for a $1000, Alex.... |
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:24 PM
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50. lol... get over yourself |
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Fri Dec-04-09 05:35 PM
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51. What a bullshit post. |
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Fri Dec-04-09 07:13 PM
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54. The Obama bashers deserve President Palin |
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Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 07:13 PM by HipChick
then they can spent the 4yrs after 2012, whining and crying on DU....:rofl:
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Fri Dec-04-09 08:11 PM
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55. I join you laughing on the floor, but for other reasons |
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Fri Dec-04-09 11:11 PM
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57. Obama is in a position to be re-elected provided he wants a second |
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term.
I hope he does want a second term.
He has my vote.
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