Are You willing to forgo a strong public option in order to pass Health Care Reform?

[MNDemNY]

[Cant trust em]

1. Define "strong" public option.

This could mean about a million things.

[MNDemNY]

2. One that is Medicare-like, available to any American who chooses.(At a price they can afford).

You know, PUBLIC, and an OPTION.

[timeforpeace]

3. Don't care what's in it as long as it's called Health Care Reform™.

[MNDemNY]

4. Is that you Rep. Stupak?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[timeforpeace]

31. Nope, the Obama Cheerleaders Assn. Campaign promise kept, no matter what it says!

Went right over your head!

[MNDemNY]

32. n o, it didn't!

;) ;)

[baldguy]

5. Without a "strong public option" there is no "Health Care Reform".

ed: man, it's like I'm typing with my toes today

[MNDemNY]

6. Yup!

:toast:

[laughingliberal]

7. Other-I'm past caring. Whatever they do, at this point, will screw the consumer and reward the

screwers.

[MNDemNY]

26. "The Insurance Industry Profit Protection and Anti-Choice Act of 2009"

[laughingliberal]

28. Yes, just as Wendall Potter indicated when the gang of six thugs were crafting the bill

in the Senate Finance committee.

[cutlassmama]

35. I'm with you there nt

[ThatPoetGuy]

8. What is this, Fox News?

Fixing polls so that only idiotic answers can be given.

Unrec.

[MNDemNY]

12. someone needs some hot chocolate!

:o

[Cant trust em]

23. +1

[MNDemNY]

25. Who the hell does he think he is! This is the internets!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Cant trust em]

27. I like mine with whipped cream on top. nt

[county worker]

9. If we pass something that is not real health care reform but is only insurance reform,

like I am hearing about now, we will be forced to buy insurance from the very corporations that are causing us the problems in the first place. The premiums will not be more affordable to those who already have a hard time paying for insurance now, yet they will get a penalty if they decide to eat and pay rent and buy gasoline instead of giving 10% if their income to crooks.

This is not anything that helps anyone. It is worse than the status quo. I'm not in favor of calling a turd health care reform just so we can say we got our way! Also this bill will cause us to lose seats in 2010 because of the disheartening effect it will have on the base.

[ecstatic]

10. I'm not terribly caught up in labels. Actions speak louder than words

I don't care who provides my healthcare, just as long as I get it (with quality and a smile).

[kenny blankenship]

13. Do you care what it costs ? Because that has a strong limiting effect on how much of it you get

How much you ACTUALLY get, that is. But if cost is no object to you then you're probably happy with the current arrangement.

[ecstatic]

20. Of course! BCBS wants me to pay 343/month starting in January

I only went to the doctor once this year! WTF? I'm tempted to dump BCBS and lease a luxury car with that money.

[MNDemNY]

22. The car would treat you better.

[Warpy]

11. Without a strong public option, it's just not going to reform anything

which is why the insurance companies are fighting it tooth and nail.

Now that turd Ben Nelson is going to screw 100% of the people in this country out of decent health insurance reform because he's determined to push 50% of them back into reproductive slave status.

To say I'm furious any of this is even up for discussion among Democrats is the understatement of the century.

Conservatives are our deadly enemies. The last 6 months should have convinced every single person in this country of that, but of course it didn't.

I really am just about ready to give up. Any fool in this country who voted for a conservative and especially for an anti abortion conservative deserves to be robbed blind by for profit insurance and neglected to death when they don't pay.

I have enough money to leave. Fucking idiots are not going to drag me down with them this time.

[MNDemNY]

14. I like you.

[asdjrocky]

15. When was the last time it mattered in this country what the people were "willing" to do.

I think the people, meaning me and you, have little to do with what is being decided in DC today. Unless you're one of those corporations with your own person-hood.

[MNDemNY]

17. That's right!

[Marr]

40. The Twenties and Thirties, I'd say. And to a smaller degree, the mid-Sixties.

Those were the last times large numbers of people were willing to cause real problems for the system. Since then, activism has mostly amounted to holding a parade.

[asdjrocky]

41. I would have to agree with you on that.

[DailyGrind51]

16. There is no reform without the public option!

[MNDemNY]

18. ,

:thumbsup:

[donheld]

43. +1

[ima_sinnic]

19. I'm beyond caring. I'm just holding out for another year and a half

when I'm SUPPOSED to start getting Medicare.
I am self-employed, 63, and have a "preexisting condition" (who the hell doesn't?!) so even if I could get insurance, I couldn't afford it, and then would have to pay massive amounts on top of that to doctors peddling drugs that have been inadequately tested and would probably kill me quicker than no drugs at all. If I were lucky, I could end up in one of the class action lawsuits that would at least pay my burial expenses.

They can do whatever they want, it doesn't really involve me. I can only eat as healthily as I can, get a lot of exercise, and stay away from crowds carrying germs.

[MNDemNY]

21. I'll send you good healthy thoughts.

:thumbsup:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. if there is no PO, i think it shoudl be reform only. none of this mandatory buying of insurance

etc

[SPedigrees]

29. I'm willing to forgo abortion funding if necessary, but not the public option.

Why? Because abortion is legal and affordable, but without a public option it will be business (and profits) as usual for the insurance cos.

[MNDemNY]

30. Looks like you'll have to swallow both.

[JVS]

33. Obama pledged to veto such a healthcare bill

[MNDemNY]

36. No, he did not.

"He won't veto it, He'll sign anything, Hey Mikey!"

[JVS]

38. I expect him to live up to his promises

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/obama-demands-the-bill-i-sign-must-include-public-option.php?ref=fpa

[MNDemNY]

44. Don't hold your breath, there is no way he lets a "win" get away,he will sign anything.

[Edweird]

34. If there's no PO, he should just write a check to the insurance co's and leave us out of it.

Things are screwed up enough as it is.

Medicare for all.

[MNDemNY]

37. v

:toast: :thumbsup:

[Marr]

39. Uh, this "Public Option" crap *was* the compromise.

It was made right out of the gate, of course-- after our "representatives" took the only real solution-- single payer-- off the table. I'm only marginally interested in the compromise. Without even this watered down compromise item, I don't see why anyone should support it. Except insurance executives and their pet politicians, of course.

[Sebastian Doyle]

42. There are only two acceptable outcomes that could legitimately be called REFORM

The first is single payer. We all know what it is. We all know why it is the best solution, and sadly we all know why it's not happening.

The second is a TRUE public option which is open to all. This allows the criminal insurance industry to continue to exist (which is far more than they deserve) but also forces them to clean up their act, because nobody has to buy from them.

Anything short of that is NOT reform.

Mandatory corporate insurance is the OPPOSITE of reform (deform?) as it rewards the criminals for criminal behavior to the tune of 45 million new "customers" and billions of dollars.

[MNDemNY]

45. It will be "deform".