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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 05:02 AM Original message |
Detroit Federation of Teachers agrees to new concessions contract |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 05:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. Good Lord what is happening to us when we applaud treating teachers like shit? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. What would you suggest as a bonus |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Why are you implying it is the teachers' fault? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I don't advocate rewarding failure |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. If you added criteria in your first post, we'd believe you. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. It's been posted before. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Which test results? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. No |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. No I don't know the answers; that's why I asked |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. I'll be happy with whatever formula Obama advocates |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Test results don't mean shit, sorry. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Great attitude nt |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #19 |
46. It's a sad reality though |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I'll admit that I don't have an answer |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. The state took over St Louis |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
33. You are clueless |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. How do you know it's solely the fault of the teachers? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I just posted the facts |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. You don't have any facts because you have never worked in schools |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. We also can't control if the kids come to school |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. In Nevada, the kids don't stay in the school long enough to learn anything |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. We have the same problem here |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I agree there. The kids can't learn anything if they are not in school. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Try again |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. And working for General Motors is more than just a paycheck? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I worked at Design Staff for 30 years |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. And you worked for more than a paycheck? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Yes I did |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Working for more than a paycheck means much more than merely enjoying your work |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Seconded. This is a multi-faceted issue. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
5. "The beatings will continue until morale improves" |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
6. k&r |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. Not just Grover, but Gates and Broad, the true villains of this current |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
14. Why am I not surprised? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
18. $500 less a month makes a big dent over two years. Eliminating Blue Cross/Blue Shield too? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. No health insurance and a $500 cut in monthly take home pay |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. It'll be only the nepotisms who will have careers in public education. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. For many years my urban district started every year with 100s of vacancies |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I'll bet the nepotisms were treated well, though. |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
32. Next year, a financial tsunami will wipe out may schools |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. A planned financial tsunami? |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Nope. A real one. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. ARRA? |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Federal Stimulus money |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Ah. I see. |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. It hardly matters |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Most of them don't and most of them are gutting teacher protections |
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shadesofgray (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
38. Well, THIS puts the lie to Obama caring about health care reform. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. The administration definitely doesn't care about public education. |
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