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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:28 AM
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New inquest sought into death of Dr. David Kelly
Not that there ever was a real inquest.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/6735670/Dr-David-Kelly-doctors-start-legal-action-for-new-inquest.html

Six senior doctors have begun legal action to force a new inquest into the death of Dr David Kelly, the scientist who died days after being exposed as the source of a controversial BBC story on the Iraq war.

The action is being taken because six doctors are convinced that the original verdict of suicide is unsafe and should be overturned.

They suspect that Dr Kelly, 59, was murdered shortly after it was revealed that he was the source of a BBC story which alleged that evidence against Iraq had been "sexed up" by the Government in order to justify the 2003 invasion.

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Unusually, no coroner's inquest was ever held into Dr Kelly's death. Instead, the official verdict of suicide was provided by the Hutton Inquiry, commissioned by Tony Blair, the then-Prime Minister.

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They say the Hutton Inquiry lacked the powers of a full inquest because it did not hear evidence taken under oath, it did not have the power to subpoena witnesses and it did not have the power to summon a jury.

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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:58 AM
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1. Excellent news.
His family deserves this - hell, we *ALL* deserve to know the truth.
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:05 AM
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2. Now a link to the Times Online
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6945740.ece

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Dr Powers, an expert in coroners’ law, said: “Suicide cannot be presumed it has to be proven. From the evidence that we have as to the circumstances of his death, in particular the aspect of haemorrhage, we do not believe that there was sufficient evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he killed himself.”

He said that there was not enough information to determine whether Dr Kelly was murdered or killed himself.

He also criticised the decision to allow Lord Hutton, who is not a coroner, to oversee the inquiry.

“There are many times in political life that the country needs to have an answer and the desire to have an answer overwhelms the desire to get the right answer. There is that pressure to find a conclusion," said Dr Powers.

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Think about all of this. Torture going on to try to get detainees to say there was a link between OBL and Sadam. Downing Street memos showing US cooking intelligence. Niger yellowcake forgery to try to show Iraq buying radioactive material. "The Dodgy Dossier" used by Tony Blair to say Iraq could deliver a weapon in 45 minutes which was "sexed up" by UK officials. Phony meetings being leaked between Atta and Iraqi intelligence. Misleading evidence shown to the UN about aluminum tubes. CIA agent outed because her husband would not play the game. New York Times reporter running around Iraq frantically trying to find evidence of WMD. Reports of Smirk the First wanting to paint a plane with UN markings and fly over Sadam to make him shoot it down. Smirk the First making threats to bomb Al Jazeera. The White House and Pentagon setting up its own intelligence system when the CIA and FBI wouldn't play right. Visits to the CIA by Darth Cheney. The mind boggles.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 11:12 AM
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9. "NYT reporter trying to find evidence of WMD." Judith Miller and David Kelley were friends and
colleagues. She used Kelly as a major quoted source in her book "Germs" (on germ warfare). And it was to Judith Miller that David Kelly wrote one of his last emails, on the day he died, in which he expressed his concern regarding the controversy swirling around himself, that "There are many dark actors playing games." Miller then wrote the NYT obit on Kelly but failed to mention her close ties to Kelly or this email. What is even more interesting are the coincidence of dates between the Kelly and Valerie Plame events. Plame was outed by Novak on 7/14/03. Kelly was found dead four days later on 7/18/03. His office and computers were searched. And four days after that, Novak additionally outed the entire Brewster-Jennings counter-proliferation network (on 7/22/03).

I do not believe that Kelly's statements to the BBC (that the pre-war intelligence had been "sexed up"), nor Joe Wilson's op-ed in the NYT (questioning the Iraq-Niger "yellowcake" connection) were sufficient motive for Kelly's murder or the Plame/B-J outings. My suspicion is that there was an in-progress operation that was threatened--something much more serious than merely lying to the public before a war. The war was still in progress and so was the "hunt" for the non-existent WMDs. Possibly the Bushwhacks were trying to plant WMDs in Iraq, maybe with a trail to Iran, to expand the war, then and there. (There was a very odd story in a congressman's book about Manucher Ghorbanifar--the notorious Iran-Contra arms dealer, with close connections to the Pentagon--trying to trick the CIA into believing that Iraq nukes that were being taken to Iran irradiated and killed the team who were transporting them.) The Bushwhacks could endlessly spin mere "lying." Neither the rightwing billionaires who control the corpo-fascist press, nor the Anthrax Congress nor anyone else with the power to hold them accountable for lying, had any inclination to do so. But they may have been determined to cap all their lying by triumphantly producing "the evidence" (with Judith Miller getting "the big scoop")--in order to cement Bush/Blair's political power and/or to expand the war to Iran.

Kelly--a very good counter-proliferation scientist, and a man of conscience and integrity--stumbling upon such a plot--would provide motive, if his bosses knew that he knew. They interrogated him at a "safe house" a week before he died, and threatened him with the Official Secrets Act. He was already "off the reservation" (so to speak), whistle-blowing to the BBC, and could not be trusted. As for Plame and her counter-proliferation team, something similar may have occurred--a threat to this more serious plot. Maybe that story about Ghorbanifar is true. The upshot of the story was that the CIA did not believe him. Was the CIA at that point interfering with a major Pentagon/Rumsfeld OSP operation?

It is difficult to believe that the corpo-fascist media imposed any restraints whatsoever on the Bushwhacks. However, the scandal of planting the weapons in Iraq (and/or using planted weapons to expand the war to Iran) might have been a big enough deal to motivate murders and outings. And if you look at things from the perpetrators' point of view, in July 2003--first, Kelly's whistleblowing about the "sexed up" pre-war intel in Britain in May, then the Joe Wilson's op-ed on 7/6/03, then Blair being informed the next day, on 7/7/03, that Kelly "could say some embarrassing things" --they may have feared that more was coming, that their main plot was about to be exposed. They were still "hunting" for the non-existent WMDs in July, with continued stories from the compliant media about this "white powder" and that suspicious "barn"--and, if my guess is right, they may still have been trying to plant them. The hype was still red hot. In outing Plame/B-J and killing Kelly, were they trying to clear their path, for "the find," or--another possibility--punish those who had foiled them? (Or both--clear their path for a second try, and punish those who had foiled the first try?)

In any case, no WMDs were found--which was slightly embarrassing to the Bushwhacks, but by no means fatal to their Junta. They got what they wanted--at least stage one of commandeering the last of the world's oil supplies. They continued to work on stage two (Iran) until circa 2006 (when I think something big happened to stop them--perhaps China and Russia threatening to come into it, on Iran's side). Stage three (or the stage two backup plan) is probably Venezuela.

I am focusing narrowly on the themes of these two events (Plame outing, Kelly murder) which occurred within four days of each other, in that context--the phony "hunt" for the WMDs--but of course there is a larger context in which that is occurring--a context of war profiteering, the disappearance of a billion dollars cash (tip of the iceberg), Ahmad Chalabi's schemes to become emperor of Iraq (on the Pentagon payroll, feeding phony "evidence" to Rumsfeld and Judith Miller), torture (its true purposes), Cheney/Rumsfeld arms dealing, and much more. I just don't think that mere lying about Iraq WMDs would have toppled an edifice built on election fraud (with more to come), vast war profiteering, vast secrecy and spying (and blackmail), pervasive torture (shredding of the rule of law; torture to induce terror, and torture for more focused Bushwhack purposes), mindboggling theft and a supine press corps in the pay of billionaire war profiteers. However, exposure of the use of illicit WMDs and a scheme of planting them to "justify" all this, would have at least dented the edifice (if it came from insiders), and if they were foiled by someone in that plot, these putative "masters of the world" would not have been forgiving about it.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:06 AM
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3. Rec
Great news.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:17 AM
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4. Now let's Roll!
Long overdue!:applause:
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the blues Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:29 AM
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5. K&R
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:49 AM
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6. Now, who's being naive?

Michael Corleone: My father is no different than any powerful man, any man with power, like a president or senator.
Kay Adams: Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? Presidents and senators don't have men killed.
Michael: Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?


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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:54 AM
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7. "unsafe"?
Bloody about time.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 10:59 AM
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8. Shades of KKKarl Rove always came to my mind in his death.
Perhaps some CIA Blackwater employees were sent
to shut Dr. Kelly up?

BHN
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 11:38 AM
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10. The suicide theory is very thin, and excluded a lot of evidence--including the lack of blood
at the scene. It also simply dismissed the fact of a major bio-chem scientist cutting the ulnar artery and taking a few pills (not enough to kill him) and then expecting to bleed to death out in the cold rain--a very, VERY unlikely method of suicide; his forward-looking last emails (daughter's wedding in the fall, plans to return to Iraq); no suicide note, no indications of despair, and more. The lack of blood at the scene was reported by the first responders and they were ignored!--as was much else.

But the thing that has always struck me the most (and puts murder up to about 99% likely, in my opinion) is that David Kelly, at the time of his death, was the central figure in a big controversy about the "sexed up" pre-war intel. The Blairites had hunted him down within government, had interrogated him at a "safe house" and threatened him with the "Official Secrets Act," had outed him to the media, had forced him to testify, under duress, to a parliamentary committee (half recanting his BBC allegations), and then had let him go home without protection and without surveillance???? Not believable. So, where were his watchers as he took his afternoon walk near his home, sat down under a tree, cut the wrong part of one wrist, took some pills and supposedly bled to death all night outdoors in the rain? One anonymous phone call would have saved his life (if his watchers wanted to stay hidden). Where were his watchers, and what were they doing while he took all night to die, in open view? And why was this question never asked at the Hutton hearings?

The Hutton hearings were a dirty rotten cover-up, and that also points to murder.
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