Counterpunch is a fucking embarassment. Not only to the left

[cali]

but to any thinking person. It's marginally, and only marginally with worldnut daily- a rag with which it has a lot in common. It strives to rile not to inform. It plays on the biases of its readership. It's filled with misinformation and outright lies. It's downright ugly.

phew. glad I got that off my chest. I've been wanting to say that for quite sometime.

[anonymous171]

Even the World Socialist Website is better than that rag

And troskyites are fucking idiots.

[inthebrain]

18. This is going to get real interesting

folks here lately really seem to be coming out of their shells lately now that they don't really have to pander for votes for Democratic Candidates. Should be really interesting how the knees jerk as we get closer to another elections and the issues that are expressed in those sources as important all of a sudden are expressed as important here.

Funny how the "fuck you" mentality often expressed by Republicans during Bush's reign has not merged over here.

I've never read counterpunch. I am a daily reader of the WSW (soon to be a writer there myself as they've asked me to write a few articles concerning the slashing of services for the mentall disabled and psych populations) and find their analysis to be excellent when looking at the issues facing the working classes.

To each his own. I'd rather folks find their own truths rather than try and stuff it down their throats. Problem arises when folks proclaim that "my truth is the only truth". Growth ceases and one becomes an idealogue and less a person. That's not healthy.

[leftstreet]

24. Congratulations!

:applause:

Look forward to reading you there - about when?

[inthebrain]

28. Probably in the next month or so

I'm still trying to get my job situation squared away. Was working a nurse assistant for a while and lost my job due to passing my boards. I'm now officially an RN (for the last three months) but due to the economy there are no new grad positions available.

Was going to write something about the Forbes article encouraging folks to go into nursing and the fact that they falsely refer to it as "recession proof". Reminds me of something out of the "Grapes of Wrath" toward the end of the book. There are no new grad positions available throughout most of the country. Was reading the allnurses boards and the complaint is the same everywhere.

The "growth" is all the retirees coming back for less money due the assault on the working class these last few years. New nurse grads cost money to train so the hospitals are skimping.

[proud2BlibKansan]

63. WSW?

World Stars of Wrestling?

Winter Storm Warning?

[Odin2005]

20. WOOT! Another poster that can't stand the Trots!

:hi:

It doesn't surprise me that the neo-cons are ex-Trotskyites.

[Warpy]

25. The more you read from that elitist bastard

the more you wonder why it took so long for somebody to punch a hole in his thick skull.

I knew exactly what the Trotskyite new left was all about in the 60s and their conversion to the neocon, Straussian cause was inevitable.

(Love that sig symbol, by the way :hi:)

[Odin2005]

27. Thanks, Warpy!

:hi: :hug:

[inthebrain]

29. I didn't know Martin Luther King was moving in the direction of GW Bush and Dick Cheney.

The things you learn on DU.

[anonymous171]

38. Well, they had to make a living!

And being a "professional revolutionary" does not pay very much (unless you are the owner of the WSWS of course.) :hi:

[Ikonoklast]

97. It pays quite well, actually.

That is, after you've stolen donations from supporteers, convert equipment for your business and do anything to keep the unions out, it pays pretty good.

[mrfrapp]

58. ???

The neo-cons are ex-Trotskyites? Where on Earth did you read that?

[Odin2005]

62. Read up on the history of the Neo-Cons.

Many of it's intellectual leaders are/were disaffected Trotskyite radicals.

[Chan790]

79. Coincidence is not causality.

Many of its' intellectual leaders are/were Jewish, as well. (Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and David Horowitz come to mind immediately) You'd be exceptionally hard-pressed to make an argument that Judaism is the intellectual-progenitor of neo-conservatism. In fact, (and to be perfectly-clear before anybody accuses me of antisemitism) I think that might be pretty-close to 180-degrees from reality.

(Also...possessive "it" is "its'", not "it's". "It's" is the contraction of "it is".)

[Behind the Aegis]

85. Well-fucking-stated!

It is also why some use "neo-con" to mean "Jew."

:thumbsup:

[mrfrapp]

89. Okay

I have read the history of the neo-conservatism before but had never come across any accusations of Trotksyism. So I Googled "Neoconservatism Trotsky" but didn't find any damning evidence. I did find this critique of the argument however from the libertarian journal, "Enter Stage Right".

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0304/0304neocontrot.txt

It's an interesting and well sourced read. As Chan790 alludes the accusation boils down to guilt by association.

[tammywammy]

37. I like a certain poster

Who I've noticed on a few occasions will post an OP from WSW and then "conveniently" forget to include the link. (I just do a google search of the OP) lol

So transparent.

[Renew Deal]

49. I've seen their stuff on DU

Typically the WSW is better sourced and less opinionated than Counterpunch.

[Chan790]

75. troskyites are fucking idiots.

Trotskyites on the other hand are fucking brilliant...if Leon Trotsky (who had been Lenin's choice) has succeeded Lenin instead of Josef Stalin, the Cold War would have turned out very differently. I mean, wow, a logically-consistent unified theory of communism that would actually work...truly the work of a blithering moron. :eyes:

How exactly are we fucking idiots...in your mind, at least; if I might ask that?

[anonymous171]

94. Soviet Communists in general were idiotic.

Troskyism is just a fancy club for bourgeois intellectuals.

[Chan790]

95. Grumble grumble...

T-R-O-T-S-K-Y. Trotsky.
T-R-O-T-S-K-Y-I-T-E. Trotskyite.
T-R-O-T-S-K-Y-I-S-M. Trotskyism.

See you've answered the question...that answer is that you're a person who can't spell things that have been spelled correctly in this thread for you repeatedly. Thus, one should not take your opinions seriously. However, let's give you another chance.

Soviet Communists in general were idiotic.

Why? Stated opinions are not facts. Please cite what you are referring to specifically.

Troskyism(sic) is just a fancy club for bourgeois intellectuals.

So...you're an anti-intellectual? :shrug:
Again, citations. Opinions are not facts.

[deutsey]

92. Actually, I don't think WSW is all that bad

Sometimes the writing becomes overly ideological, imo, but overall I like the class analysis it offers (and I'm not a troskyite or Trotskyite). And at least you know what you're going to get when you visit a site called the World Socialist Website. I don't think a lot people realize when they tune into network or cable news (unless it's FOX) that they're getting news shaped by corporate ideology.

I'm not a fan of Counterpunch, though.

[Mudoria]

93. Both are trash

[HughMoran]

1. I agree

:)

[MH1]

2. Agreed. In 2004 they recommended voting AGAINST Kerry.

That told me all I needed to know.

[mike_c]

8. ahh-- PARTISAN objections tell me all I need to know....

In 2004 I independently arrived at the same conclusion, and voted for David Cobb. NOW I know why I tend to like CP!

[emulatorloo]

23. Not something to necessarily be proud of

Though Cobb is a good guy.

[mike_c]

26. so why shouldn't I be proud of voting for "a good guy...?'

In fact, I'm VERY proud of having voted for him. As you suggest, he represents some of the best policy thinking in this country, I think. I'd give my eye teeth for a president like David Cobb.

[emulatorloo]

44. Pride in ones vote is good -- I really should have written "Maybe not something to 'boast" about"

i wrote a long clarification of what I meant, but deleted it. Probably enough to say that I feel too much bitterness over the second term of GWB, It would have been good to overwhelm the "Bush Voting Machines" - every vote counted.

[MH1]

31. so either you wanted Bush to be president, or you were in a state

that was so lopsided one way or the other that you could safely assume the latter.

I have no problem if it was a safe vote that wouldn't impact whether Bush or Kerry took office. But that is a lot different than what Counterpuke did - essentially used their platform to advocate for Bush being re-elected.

[arcadian]

3. Don't be so hard on yourself.

[cali]

9. poor attempt at being clever

just sad.

[arcadian]

12. Say that again.

[Dennis Donovan]

4. Link, or an expansion on why you think they're an embarasment?

:shrug:

[leftstreet]

5. (sigh) What have they done now? Link?

:eyes:

[mike_c]

6. not sure I agree with you....

I don't read Counterpunch regularly, so it's hard to comment broadly, but the occasional articles I have read and sometimes cited were well done, IMO. It is unabashedly leftist, but then so am I, so that's no surprise to me.

[cali]

7. knock yourself out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7162111&mesg_id=7162111

[mike_c]

10. LOL-- I don't give a rat's buttocks about golf, celebrities, or Tiger Woods...

...so I'm not very interested in that article, no matter what its perspective or where it was published.

[cali]

11. that shit

is representative of the crap they publish.

[Better Believe It]

17. Please post your list of approved websites we may visit. Thank you!

Do you have a list of approved websites you can post for our information and political guidance?

[hfojvt]

67. I used to read them a lot

they had interesting articles and I exchanged some friendly emails with some of the writers there too. But no Democrat was ever good enough for them. Once the Democratic primaries began it turned into a "Punch the Democratic Party" site. Not that Democrats don't often deserve to be 'punched' or critiqued, but when no Democrat is ever good enough then it seems to be pointlessly defeatist. Like it doesn't matter who wins an election because Democrats suck just like Republicans, and it doesn't matter who wins the primary because a Progressive Democrat sucks just like a Blue Dog Democrat. It's like they cannot tell the difference between a dime and $10,000,000,000,000. Gore was not perfect, perhaps very far from it, but he was still far, far, far, far, far better than George W. Bush.

[EndersDame]

13. While there are some intelligent articles it is mostly people trying to prove how cool and radical

they are. And I even identify as a democratic socialist.It was pretty fun when I was 17/18

[Name removed]

14. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Octafish]

16. Yeah. It's like calling for burning anything out of CounterPunch.

And I didn't unrec, although I don't agree.

[cali]

19. try not to use homophobic slurs

it's a crap thing to do.

[Octafish]

15. Where else can you read about Sidney Gottlieb, lawbreaking CIA scientist?

CIA's Sidney Gottlieb: Pusher, Assassin & Pimp

US Official Poisoner Dies

EXCERPT...

Incredibly, neither the Times nor the Post obituaries mention Gottlieb's crucial role in the death of Dr. Frank Olson, who worked for the US Army's biological weapons center at Fort Detrick. At a CIA sponsored retreat in rural Maryland on November 18, 1953, Gottlieb gave the unwitting Olson a glass of Cointreau liberally spiked with LSD. Olson developed psychotic symptoms soon thereafter and within a few days had plunged to his death from an upper floor room at the New York Statler-Hilton. Olson was sharing the room with Gottlieb's number two, a CIA man called Robert Lashbrook, who had taken the deranged man to see a CIA-sponsored medic called Harold Abramson who ran an allergy clinic at Mount Sinai, funded by Gottlieb to research LSD.

Don't remember seeing him mentioned like that in the New York Times.

Now I don't agree with a lot of other stuff I read on CounterPunch, but that's the idea.

[Odin2005]

21. K&R!

[emulatorloo]

22. I am sick to death of the EXTREME HYPERBOLE of sites such as counterpunch

The EXTREME exaggeration and hyperbole on the right is bad enough. Does the left have to do it too.

[GreenPartyVoter]

30. LOL @ being sick to death of hyperbole

[spoony]

34. Heh.

:D

[emulatorloo]

45. Yeah I get the irony, but aren't you getting tired of it too?

[bvar22]

55. ROFL !!!

:rofl:
Sick to death of hyperbole !
:rofl:

Please stop!!!!
My sides are hurting!!!!

[Hannah Bell]

90. :>)

[MattBaggins]

43. It's pronounced hyper-bowl

[emulatorloo]

46. Yeah we have one of those in our town! I like the nights when you get to bowl under black-lights

Very psychedelic.

[Peace Patriot]

32. I see a lot of variety at Counterpunch, and have often come across information and issues there

that I was unaware of. It's a very informative leftist web site.

Here's the current list of articles down the left side of the page. I am interested in most of these. I've already read Cockburn's ed, because I was wondering what set cali off. I think this was probably it (no, cali?).

War Cries From a Defeated Man, by ed Alexander Cockburn
(a bit over the top anti-Obama, but I can't say I disagree with most of it)

The Selling of "Precious": Hollywood's Enduring Myth of the Black Male Sexual Predator, by Ishmael Reed
(interested)

The Twin Frauds of Obama, by Paul Craig Roberts
(haven't read it yet)

Children Afraid of the Night: the Regional Alternative to Escalation in Afghanistan, by Vijay Prashad
(very interested)

Pakistan Creates Its Own Enemy, by Muhammad Idrees Ahmad
(interested)

Juvenile Injustice in a Philly Suburb, by Linn Washington, Jr.
(interested)

The Rape of Irish Children, by Eamonn McCann
(interested)

Lebanon: an End to Sectarian Politics, by Rannie Amiri
(interested)

Top Sports Sex Scandals, by David Rosen
(not interested - but might read it because it's CounterPunch--expect an original angle)

Turning Activists Into Voters in Uruguay, by Benjamin Dangl
(very interested - Dangl was one of the organizers of Seattle '99)

And the list goes on like this. In the past, I've found usually well-researched viewpoints, often good analysis, or at least an alternative to the uniform crapoloa of the corpo-fascist 'news' monopolies.

Why rant against CounterPunch, and not against, oh, the Washington Psst or the Miami Hairball or the New York Slimes or the Wall Street Urinal, who are actually doing A LOT of harm in the world?

We gotta leave room for criticism--even blistering criticism--of our leaders. They are sometimes wrong. No, more than that--they are OFTEN wrong. They are running an Empire with a huge and extremely deadly war machine deployed all over the world. Why shouldn't they be criticized? Are we slaves? Are our thoughts controlled by "Big Brother"? Are we merely their cannon fodder, slave laborers and get-out-the-vote drivers and phone bankers? Are we free people or not?

I don't like corpo-fascist billionaires monopolizing the broadcast and print media, with non-stop corporate and war propaganda. They will build up an Obama and then tear him down, as it suits them and their 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines. I don't mean that kind of criticism. I mean real criticism--criticism of the fundamental premises of our government and society, as those premises are carried out by the people who can afford to run for office. Counterpunch offers that kind of criticism--real criticism. Even if you don't agree with it--and even if it isn't big on offering solutions (which is my major criticism of it)--it is worth reading, especially, as has happened to the left since Vietnam, our own party utterly betrays our peoples' desire for peace and justice.

[leftstreet]

33. ...

The Children Afraid of the Night is well worth reading

[bvar22]

56. BUT....

They dare to criticize The Chosen One. :scared:

They are definitely NOT participating in the White House "Message Discipline" Program.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-scahill/rahm-emanuels-think-tanke_b_185203.html

[girl gone mad]

84. I thought 'The Twin Frauds of Obama' was a fantastic piece.

I appreciate Paul Craig Roberts' point of view, even when I disagree with him.

[Karmadillo]

35. If only they could be respectable like Judith Miller and the NY Times.

nt

[emulatorloo]

47. Ha HA, that's just silly! A criticism of Counterpunch is not an endorsement of Judith Miller.

but you probably know that.

[Mind_your_head]

59. Judith Miller *UGH*

It has never been determined/admitted/convicted (as of yet.....) what her ties truly were to David Kelly's life/death and/or Scooter Libby, Chief of Staff for 'Darth' Cheney. The Valerie Plame Affair.....Sibel Edmonds.....

The ties ARE THICK. There is a LOT of "there" THERE @ Judith Miller.

Here's just a bit from wikipedia, but there's MORE, much much more THERE (read back on the story/his-story) ~ check the archives of DU, for starters:


<snip>
Failure to report source controversy
In July 2005, Miller was jailed for contempt of court for refusing to testify before a federal grand jury investigating a leak naming Valerie Plame as a covert CIA agent. Miller did not write about Plame, but was reportedly in possession of evidence relevant to the leak investigation. According to a subpoena, Miller met with an unnamed government official — later revealed to be I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff—on July 8, 2003, two days after former ambassador Joseph Wilson published an Op-Ed in the Times criticizing the Bush administration for "twisting" intelligence to justify war in Iraq. (Plame's CIA identity was revealed in a column by conservative political commentator Robert Novak on July 14, 2003.)

On July 16, 2005, The Washington Post reported that Miller could face criminal contempt charges, which could have extended her jail time six months beyond the four months then anticipated.<14> The Post also suggested that special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald was particularly interested in hearing Miller's version of her encounter with Libby. While Libby signed a waiver allowing journalists to testify about their conversations on this subject, Miller had reportedly refused to accept its validity on the grounds that it was "coerced".

Filings by Patrick Fitzgerald alleged that Miller's defiance of the court constituted a crime. On September 29, 2005, after spending 85 days in jail, Miller was released after a telephone call with Libby. He had reaffirmed a release of confidentiality that he had given her a year earlier and that she had already known about. Under oath, Miller was questioned by Patrick Fitzgerald before a federal grand jury the following day, September 30, 2005<15> but was not relieved of contempt charges until after testifying again on October 12, 2005. For her second grand jury appearance, Miller produced a notebook from a previously-undisclosed meeting with Libby on June 23, 2003, several weeks before Wilson's New York Times editorial was published. According to Miller's notes from that earlier meeting, Libby disclosed that Joseph Wilson's wife was a CIA employee involved in her husband's trip to Niger. Miller's notebook from her July 8, 2003 meeting with Libby contains the name "Valerie Flame ". <16> This reference occurred six days before Novak published Plame's name and unmasked her as a CIA operative.

The New York Times published Miller's first-person account, "My Four Hours Testifying in the Federal Grand Jury Room", on October 16, 2005. Miller incorrectly invoked First Amendment journalistic principles in going to jail, despite established legal precedent showing the constitution affords no protection for reporters testifying in front of Grand Juries (Branzburg v. Hayes). After the First Amendment claim, she was widely derided for saying that she could not remember who gave her the name "Valerie Plame" but that she was sure it didn't come from Libby.<17> (Former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer testified, for example, that he was told Plame's name and CIA identity by Libby at lunch on July 7, 2003, one day before Libby's breakfast meeting with Miller.)<18> Miller's grand jury account was her last article in the New York Times, which negotiated a private severance package shortly afterwards. Miller testified as a witness on January 30, 2007 at the trial of "Scooter" Libby, which began in January 2007 and ended with Libby's conviction on four of five counts on March 6, 2007. <19>
<snip>

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller

[inthebrain]

36. I've never read Counterpunch

maybe I have at some point and don't recall. Wouldn't say I'm qualified to offer an opinion on the matter.

I do read a lot of leftist material (Howard Zinn being one of my favorites as well as Marx) as well as interact with a lot of em off this board. I don't recall many of em refrencing that site so I wouldn't call it a major staple of the Left anymore than Larouche representative of most Democrats.

I have read much of the OPs posts on this board enough to know that he/she is staunchly anti left. So it's not like he/she is really an authority on the matter either.

[earth mom]

39. Your OP has NEGATIVE Recs. What does that tell you?

:eyes:

Frankly the fact that a WAY right of center DUer like you hates Counterpunch so much makes me eager to go read the site because I'm sure a WAY lefty like me will like it, maybe love it. :evilgrin:

p.s. UNREC!!!

[Odin2005]

53. You are delusional of you think people that attack CP must me right-wingers.

But given a post of yours a while ago in an autism thread, you obviously think my opinions on anything can be dismissed, so meh. :eyes:

[Prometheus Bound]

40. Haven't visited that site for years. Great stuff. Thanks for the reminder.

I've put it on my weekly must-visit bookmarks.

[Karmadillo]

41. You've been wanting to say that for quite some time? Like since earlier this year when you posted

this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4903095

cali (1000+ posts)

Why I can't stand Counterpunch

If there's something that's nearly a sure bet prediction, it's that Cockburn and Counterpunch will go after Obama relentlessly and viciously. After all, this is the rag that went relentlessly after Clinton and Gore and just about every other dem you've ever heard of- aside from Dennis Kucinich. Now, I am NOT NOT NOT saying that Obama shouldn't be vigorously criticized. You bet he should be. But he should also be commended when he does good things. And you can bet your ass you'll rarely if ever see the crowd at Counterpunch doing that.

Now a lot of folks around here think highly of Counterpunch. I think they lie and smear as much as any right wing source. And like the shitrag it is, the Counterpunchies are busy as bees drawing as many comparisons between Obama and bushco as they possibly can.

more, more, more.............yawn

Comparing Bush and Obama?!?! How could they!?!? I guess history has shown those crazy folks were way off base in making that comparison.

[Prometheus Bound]

42. LOL. Priceless!

[emulatorloo]

48. Your last line does more to make Cali's point than her original post.

[Karmadillo]

50. Well, it couldn't do less, could it?

nt

[Hannah Bell]

91. "for quite some time" = "since the last time i said it".

[stephinrome]

51. I got published a few times on CP

http://www.counterpunch.org/westbrook05022008.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/westbrook09242009.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/westbrook11062009.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/westbrook07102009.html

Wonder what that makes me? ;-)

[chill_wind]

60. Subversive and no doubt Dangerous.

Like all this: (random date)

November 6-8, 2009

Mark Greuter
Inside the American University of Iraq

November 5, 2009

Pam Martens
The Fire Sale of America

Vijay Prashad
The Great Heretic

Brian Gallagher
The Soldiers From Standard Oil: Harvard, ROTC and American Foreign Policy

Norman Solomon
The Next Phase in Health Care Apartheid

Nadia Hijab
The Battle for Palestinian Representation

Joseph Shanksy
And the Winner in Honduras is ... the United States?

Andy Thayer
Questions and Answers From Maine

Tracy Rosenberg
Pacifica and the Barbarians Who Pay the Bills

Website of the Day
All Folked Up

November 4, 2009

Stan Cox
The Inflated Promise of Natural Gas

Andy Worthington From Gitmo to Palau: Who are the Uighurs?

Robert Weissman
The Medicare-for-All Moment

Susan Galleymore
Of Veterans and Volunteers

Ralph Nader
Hoh's Afghanistan Warning

Michael Leonardi
Italy's Secret Ships of Poison

Bitta Mistofi
Death to No One: Isolating and Taunting Iran Will Only Empower the Regime

Robert Bryce
From Lahore to Copenhagen

Martha Rosenberg
Is Your Doctor's Continuing Ed Funded by Drug Makers?

Dave Lindorff
Democrats Crash and Burn

Website of the Day
Single-Payer Backtrackers

November 3, 2009

Patrick Cockburn
The Delegitimization of Karzai

Mike Whitney
Why the Crisis Isn't Going Away

Franklin C. Spinney
Katrina and the Paralysis of Fear

Laura Carlsen
The Little Coup That Couldn't

Serge Halimi
Don't Blame the Internet

John Stanton
Social Decay in America

Sophia Weeks
A Guatemalan Lament

Dave Lindorff
Country Joe, Kenny Rogers and Obama

November 2, 2009

Steven Higgs
Autism Spikes, Toxins Suspected

Ishmael Reed
White in America: Behind the Scenes at CNN

David Macaray
UAW Members Vote Down Ford; and the Media Attacked the Union

Bouthaina Shaaban
Settler Colonialism: Return to the Middle Ages

David Michael Green
Coming to Get You

David Swanson
The Two Percent Robustness

Ellen Brown
Cutting Wall Street Out

Adam Federman
Trading the Watershed to Trash the Catskills

James McEnteer
Doppleganger Politics: Star Wars, Clone Wars

Stephen Fleischman
Foot in the Door: Capitalism and Health Care

Website of the Day
Secret California Park Giveaway

Because we can't discuss, read and decide on the merits of ideas (or lack of) for ourselves.

[ipaint]

81. Interesting aritcles, thanks for the links. n/t

[LeftishBrit]

87. It makes you one of their reasonable contributors. Of which there are quite a few.

There are also quite a few nuts and xenophobes, so one has to pick and choose.

I personally wouldn't choose to write for a journal that also publishes Paul Craig Roberts, but your articles are very good and interesting!

Oh, and a big boo to Berlusconi!

[GreenArrow]

52. New York Times

is a fucking embarrassment. Not only to the left

but to any thinking person. It's marginally, and only marginally with worldnut daily- a rag with which it has a lot in common. It strives to rile not to inform. It plays on the biases of its readership. It's filled with misinformation and outright lies. It's downright ugly.

phew. glad I got that off my chest. I've been wanting to say that for quite sometime.


Time Magazine is a fucking embarrassment. Not only to the left

but to any thinking person. It's marginally, and only marginally with worldnut daily- a rag with which it has a lot in common. It strives to rile not to inform. It plays on the biases of its readership. It's filled with misinformation and outright lies. It's downright ugly.

phew. glad I got that off my chest. I've been wanting to say that for quite sometime.


CNN is a fucking embarrassment. Not only to the left

but to any thinking person. It's marginally, and only marginally with worldnut daily- a rag with which it has a lot in common. It strives to rile not to inform. It plays on the biases of its readership. It's filled with misinformation and outright lies. It's downright ugly.

phew. glad I got that off my chest. I've been wanting to say that for quite sometime.


ABC, NBC, FOX, Newsweek etc are fucking embarrassments. Not only to the left

but to any thinking person. They're marginally, and only marginally with worldnut daily- a rag with which they have a lot in common. They strive to rile, not to inform. They play on the biases of their readership. They're filled with misinformation and outright lies. They're downright ugly.

phew. glad I got that off my chest. I've been wanting to say that for quite sometime.


Insert your own favorite propaganda outlet here: _____

[bvar22]

57. The White House "Message Discipline" program...

...is a HUGE embarrassment to The Democratic Party.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-scahill/rahm-emanuels-think-tanke_b_185203.html

[GreenArrow]

64. Actually, I don't think the party is embarrassed at all

by that program. They're in it to win it, whatever that means.

[bvar22]

68. You're right.

Our system (Political and Economic) rewards the coldest sociopaths who have no sense of shame.
They know NO embarrassment.


NOW we have Your Children’s Money too !!!
And there is not a fucking thing you can do about it!
Now THIS is “Bi-Partisanship” !
Better get used to it!!
Hahahahahahahahaha!

[phasma ex machina]

70. Interesting. Thanks for sharing. nt

[SidDithers]

54. K&R...nt

Sid

[blondeatlast]

61. Word. Chock full of college freshman aidealism and purity rarely "tainted"

by broad thinking, understanding of the issue, or reality.

DU's CP defenders are so caught up in theri own wonderfulness I can't help but taunt them.

[bigtree]

66. you don't see the irony in your own opinionated swipe at them?

And, at the Duers, by extension, that you just criticized?

[bigtree]

65. Only if you view all writing (there and elsewhere on the net) as some significant movement

It's perfectly valid to pan an article with specifics, but to brand all of the articles with one biased swipe seems awfully anti-intellectual. Embarrassment? I just don't think those folk's opinion pieces are embarrassing. I'm not embarrassed by them. Why do folks get so defensive about ideas expressed? Debate the points they make or ignore them. This type of criticism that you've made here (while perfectly fine to hold an opinion and express it) is too broad based and essentially a smear.

[TorchTheWitch]

69. We used to not be allowed to use Counterpunch as a news source

at least not a legitimate one.

[Prometheus Bound]

71. Village Voice: 'CounterPunch, "outshines all its competitors." '

The Village Voice says CounterPunch, "outshines all its competitors."

Out of Bounds calls it, "the most important politcal newsletter in the country."

CounterPunch tells the facts and names the names!

Its stories have been picked up by or generated articles in Harper's, The Nation, the National Journal, the New York Daily News, The Washington Post, the Texas Observer, and several other publications.

http://www.newsun.com/Counter.html

[Pavulon]

73. Sad because it is composed of monkeys throwing

their shit around. Not a shred of journalism to be found.

[Better Believe It]

76. Too "leftie" for ya? How about Newsweek, is that better?

[Pavulon]

80. journalism in not left or right shit flinging howlers on both sides

can all eat a collective turd and drop dead. The left right media split has done more to foster a nation of morons than anything I can think of. I dont need a bunch of assholes to spin my news for me. Your milage may very.

[Douglas Carpenter]

72. well even though my brother writes for Counterpunch

- My brother is an international lawyer who writes articles for a number of leftie online publications including Counterpunch on issues of international law.

The point I am making is that Counterpunch carries a large composite of articles by a lot of different writers - some are good and well done - some are sure nonsense. I am not the least bit interested in the whole Tiger Woods matter - for the same reasons I don't care much about office gossip about who is doing who - but I would agree that the article claiming that the whole scandal about Tiger Woods' extramarital affairs are motivated by racism sounds to me like a bit of a stretch. I think Tiger Woods' infidelity is in the news because it makes for juicy gossip.

Still if the standard is what passes for mainstream journalism in the United States these days, I don't think Counterpunch is all that bad.

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[Douglas Carpenter]

78. you might considering rewording your critique

I don't think the gentleman in your avatar would approve of your language.

I don't agree with many of Cali's post either. But come on.........

[NaturalHigh]

77. Counterpunch has about as much credibility...

as the "My baby-daddy is an alien" rags at the grocery store checkout.

[JackRiddler]

82. Yeah, it's high time you finally said the same damn thing you dish out every day without fail. Whew!

Why won't those leftist populists conform to your impeccable reason? It's all their fault!

[Liberation Angel]

83. care to elaborate

I tend to feel the same way about some of their stuff but what bothered you in particular?

[LeftishBrit]

86. k&r though I seem to be a minority on the thread!

Though I would add that IMO Counterpunch should not be a 'fucking embarrassment to the left' because it is *not* consistently left. It has some good left-wing contributors and articles, and it also has some nasty right contributors such as Paul Craig Roberts.

It is consistently against the war, and good for it on that. And it has an interesting international group of contributors, who give interesting perspectives, whether one agrees with them or not, on other countries.

But it has some far from progressive attitudes: e.g. (1) Cockburn's global warming denial; (2) a tendency by some writers (notably Bill and Kathleen Christison and Gilad Atzmon) to blame Israelis and Jews for the actions of America and other countries; and (3, and perhaps less well-known than the two previous items) demonization of Bosnian Muslims by some writers including Cockburn himself.

I don't think it should be banned or suppressed in any way, but I think it needs to be read critically, and not just assumed to be progressive on everything.

[Behind the Aegis]

88. Don't forget, for #2, the bigots Alison Wier and Israel Shamir.

[apocalypsehow]

96. Good post. Since it's been more than 24 hours, I'll just have give you a Rec in spirit. n/t.