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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:31 PM
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An explanation of the Knox verdict & the difference between the Italian and American justice systems
Edited on Sat Dec-05-09 08:34 PM by Are_grits_groceries
An American in the Italian Wheels of Justice

The trial took nearly a year. But now that an Italian jury has determined that Amanda Knox, a 22-year-old American student, is guilty of murdering her British housemate in Perugia, Italy, in 2007, the legal wrangling has in some ways just begun.
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And yet, Mr. Dershowitz called the verdict “totally predictable,” saying that the trial was just a “confirmation of the investigation.”

He added: “This is not the end of the line.”
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One leading scholar on international law said that in the context of Italy’s complicated judicial system, and its stark differences with the legal process in the United States, this case could have important international ramifications.

“I think this is a scandal of the first order,” said George P. Fletcher, Columbia University’s Cardozo professor of jurisprudence. “I don’t think this is an expression of anti-Americanism.”

Rather, Professor Fletcher said, this verdict came about because the Italian judicial system has not “adapted correctly” the American judicial system. “We are the only country in the world that has a real jury system,” Mr. Dershowitz said.

In Italian criminal cases, the jury includes two professional judges, one of whom is the presiding judge in the case. “Many of the European countries have this mixture,” Mr. Dershowitz said. “In general, the lay jurors don’t have as much lay influence as the professional judges.”

Also, the jury is not sequestered until deliberations, opening them to the inflated media coverage of a trial. And in the case of Ms. Knox, there seemed to be leeway about how much inflammatory prejudicial evidence was allowed.
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“In the United States, character evidence does not come to play in the trial unless the defendant puts it in play,” Mr. Fletcher said. “The prosecution can’t come into court and say my guy is a bad guy. In this case, even if there a sexual motive, so what if, say, she had a dozen boyfriends? That is not relevant here.”
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As Rachel Donadio writes in The Times:

Unlike in the American system, where appeals center on issues of law, not fact, in the Italian system, defendants can ask to retry the entire case from scratch in the first round of appeals.

This is known as a de novo review.
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Moreover, in Italy a jury does not need to be unanimous but only needs a majority to convict on murder. The entire jury deliberates on the verdict, while the judge decides the sentence and awards the damages. How the jury in this case voted has not yet been released, nor has a longer explanation of the verdict. That could take up to 90 days.

More here:http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/05/an-american-in-the-italian-wheels-of-justice/?hp

The reason I highlighted the section about the jury is because the presiding judge is part of that system. Judge Mignini is someone I had read about a long time before this trial.

Here were my observations:
I became familiar with Judge Mignini long before Knox was in his courtroom. I read 'The Monster of Florence' by Douglas Preston about a serial killer who attacked young couples. The book not only delves into who the killer could be, it also naturally includes the handling of the crimes by the Italian police and justice system.

Preston and his co-author Spezi became suspects themselves in a Kafkaesque twist. They had cast aspersions on the guilt of a couple of people that were accused of the crimes. The people accused were treated no better than Knox as they were declared guilty by the police and then the evidence was made to fit the crime. The people in charge really went after Preston and Spezi in order to destroy their character and thus their conclusions.

Preston has commented on the Knox trial and has been a spectator. He is not an unbiased person. However, reading about the actions of Mignini and others in the serial killer case, the parallels between the techniques used against the suspects years apart are striking.

The serial killer case and the Knox case are both very high profile cases. They both were guaranteed to receive tons of press, and the authorities were under the gun to find a killer. In both cases, they declared who the killer was and then got backed into a corner when things fell apart. In the Knox case, I believe they are loathe to publicly once again be seen as inept and have used everything under the sun to cast her in a negative light. The evidence is so suspect that they have chosen to bolster it by making her a monster.

Mignini is a piece of work. Google Douglas Preston and you will find a myriad of articles about his earlier run in with Mignini and the Italian justice system. You will also find his take on the Knox trial.

I am not going to defend the cases in our own justice system that beggar belief. They can be as twisted and convoluted as anything here. However when I heard the name Mignini, I thought that Knox was toast. I was right.





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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:35 PM
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1. Cross-posted over at Editorials folder,
just for people's information.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:37 PM
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2. Mignini is a mental case. She never had a chance.
The system over there sounds like these "due process" hearings teachers go through in terminations. It's not a stretch at all. All teachers get is character assassination, and they seldom win, so they have to sue anyway.

It looks like Knox is going to have to go through all of this again if she wins her appeal.
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:42 PM
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3. ....the Italian judicial system has not “adapted correctly” the American judicial system...CHRIST!!!
Edited on Sat Dec-05-09 08:45 PM by Jackeens
Honestly, that kind of arrogance makes my skin crawl!

Maybe before he lectures anyone else Prof Fletcher should spend some time studying his own judicial system - is it perfect? eg Has every executed prisoner proven to be guilty?

I have a strong hunch, having read about the case, that Amanda Knox is probably innocent, and I'm fairly certain the prosecutor in the case belongs in jail, but Prof Fletcher and the rest, spare me the 'oh woe, Italy doesn't have an American-style judicial system'! Instead, have a read of this:

http://www.justicedenied.org/executed.htm

:puke:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:45 PM
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5. +10
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:48 PM
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6. Agreed. Somebody needs to remind the good Mr. Dershowitz that Italy
is NOT one of the 50 states.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:50 PM
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8. So what? How about discussing the merits of the case
and the peculiarities of the Italian system rather than trash our own with irrelevant comments?
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:55 PM
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13. Address your question to Prof Fletcher, he started it!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:09 PM
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15. How, pray tell, did I "trash" our legal system, lol????
You need remedial reading.

And the fact that Italy is not part of the US is eminently relevant given that Mr. Dershowitz's comment seems to indicate that he expects Italian law to conform to US law.

More evidence that you need remedial reading.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:51 PM
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10. I will remember your relativistic ways when you denounce the GOP
If we cannot judge anything then we might as well give up on changing anything as well.
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:55 PM
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12. It's perfectly fine to "denounce", but to denounce because it's not American? Gimme a break!
:shrug:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:57 PM
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21. I agree but that is not what he was saying. nt
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 10:05 PM
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22. The Italian judicial system has not “adapted correctly” the American judicial system.....
...why on earth should the Italian judicial system adapt the American judicial system??
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 10:37 PM
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26. Hello?! GOP: American political party...Italy: sovereign nation
Or are you saying that Americans deserve special treatment in other countries' judicial systems?
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:43 PM
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4. Lots of arrogance there.
Rather, Professor Fletcher said, this verdict came about because the Italian judicial system has not “adapted correctly” the American judicial system. “We are the only country in the world that has a real jury system,” Mr. Dershowitz said.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:50 PM
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9. Poor choice of words, but please don't come across as thinking
this verdict is just.
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:15 PM
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17. I haven't heard the evidence,
so I can't comment one way or the other. It's pretty arrogant to think that the Italians should be adopting our system from A to Z because ours is somehow better. I know enough to be able to confidently say that we don't have a justice system here, we have a legal system. We're not in any position to be telling other countries how to run their court systems.

Perhaps the verdict wasn't just by our standards, but the trial wasn't conducted by our standards.
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:48 PM
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7. You're right...Knox never had a chance.
I heard someone say that the fact that she was found guilty was to be expected; that people generally are in the trial. The real "trial" starts with the first appeal.

Very sad...
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:52 PM
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11. Like I wrote above, it's almost like a "due process" hearing for teachers
Teachers almost never win them, and all kinds of rules you think districts should abide by, they don't. You have your character assassinated, and then find out you have to sue them anyway.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:04 PM
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14. So, this is more like a US grand jury, only public? eom
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:10 PM
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16. Wow! I never thought of it that way,
but I think you're right! After all, everyone knows a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich!

:)
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 10:54 PM
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28. I think it's more comparable to a US pre-trial
since both sides present/refute evidence.

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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:27 PM
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18. she most likely would have been found guilty here as well
Though I do think our system of justice is better in comparison, fundimentally, it's not all that different. Juries in the US are very rarely sequestered. Though they are admonished not to discuss the case with anyone or read newspapers or watch tv and listen to radio reports about the case, let's face it, they do. Both US and Italian juries can be equally influenced by tabloid media coverage, and police procedures are pretty much identical in practice.

Had the crime occurred here and subjected to US justice it's very likely she would have been found guilty and likely have received an even harsher sentence. There is ample evidence both physical and circumstancial that puts her at the scene and having been willingly involved. Whether or not she herself killed Meredith is immaterial as in our justice system her involvement makes her just as guilty as whoever did the deed.

I don't believe for a moment she was tortured or treated any more harshly when interogated as she would have been in the US. I DO believe these claims are an attempt to cover up her very wildly conflicting stories that just so happen to attempt to explain evidence against her as it was revealed and attempt to explain her very wildly conflicting stories. She has always appeared healthy, well groomed, relaxed, and confident and has never appeared to be the least bit frightened or cowed... in fact, she has almost always appeared smiling and has been seen frequently laughing and joking with others including her guards. She has actually appeared to ENJOY the attention of her perdicament... hardly signs of a tortured or even harshly treated person.

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:34 PM
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20. "[P]uts her at the scene"?
It was her house. They were room-mates. Of course evidence puts her there.

"having been willingly involved"... what evidence is there for that? Did I miss something?
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 10:23 PM
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24. You've missed a lot
Edited on Sat Dec-05-09 10:45 PM by TorchTheWitch
There was a fresh drop of Amanda's blood found on one of the bathroom taps.

She was seen by two different witnesses at the basketball court during the hours that the crime was committed by the one witness several times in the company of her "boyfriend" and by the other witness once with both her "boyfriend" and Rudy Guede (who was found guilty in a seperate closed door trial occuring before the trial of Knox and Raffaele Sollecito (the "boyfriend").

Both her and the "boyfriend" turned off their cellphones at 8:40pm the night of the murder; both phones were traced to be in the vacinity of the house.

Most of her own stories admit she was there in the house at the time of the murder and she herself heard Meredith scream... in one of those stories she blames her boss as the one who killed Meredith.

Her DNA was found on the handle of the knife in evidence as the murder weapon which had been cleaned with bleach.



Her willingness is shown by her continued covering up for herself and the others involved coupled with the evidence of her presense at the scene.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22332240/page/3/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/5066282/Amanda-Knox-and-Raffaele-Sollecito-seen-chatting-on-night-Meredith-Kercher-murdered.html
http://www.komonews.com/news/41583157.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1570225/Transcript-of-Amanda-Knoxs-note.html


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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 10:52 PM
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27. Wait....
Edited on Sat Dec-05-09 10:54 PM by Jackeens
You should have a look at the 48 Hours documentary on the case before making conclusions - can't find the link now, but someone posted it yesterday.

A couple of things - the prosecutor in the case is barking mad, he is heavily influenced by an Italian blogger who sees Satanic bullshit in just about every crime committed in Italy. She declared that three people were involved in this murder, a Satanic/sexual type slaughter, so, based on that, he set out to convict three people for this crime....even though the evidence only pointed to ONE person being responsible (again, check the 48 Hours documentary). The guy is a grade A corrupt piece of shit (see the interview with Doug Preston in that documentary, an earlier victim of the prosecutor).

In that programme you will see how abysmal the forensic work was in this case. For example, they found a regular knife in the kitchen of Amanda's boyfriend's apartment and declared it to be the murder weapon - even though it did not match the bloody imprint of the real murder weapon on the sheets of Meredith Kercher's bed.

She 'blamed' her boss for the murder at the end of an interview that lasted almost 14 hours and during which she, allegedly, was repeatedly hit on the head by a police officer. If this sounds far fetched, well, the same thing happened to Doug Preston.

Her boss had an airtight alibi, so her statement was bullshit - so I would be a little slow to believe anything she told the police in that sleep-deprived interrogation. Dick Cheney, though, would have purred at her interrogators' methods.

The guy who was convicted of the murder, Rudy Guede, never placed Knox or her boyfriend at the scene, when he admitted he had sex with Kercher that night (the DNA, if you can believe it, proves he raped/had sex with her), despite his efforts to blame a 'mystery' man for the murder.

Knox never denied being in the house, where she lived, later that night, after returning with her boyfriend from an evening in his apartment (I'd guess they turned off their phones because they were otherwise engaged). She said Kercher's bedroom door was locked so she assumed she was either out for the night or had 'company' in the room - that's why she didn't investigate further. It was only the next day that she began to worry.

Etc, etc, etc.

Based on Doug Preston's testimony I suspect this is an utter set-up. The Italian system isn't the problem here, it's the prosecutor, and his supporting cast. I just don't believe any of the 'forensic' evidence they produced.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 11:42 PM
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30. I've seen it
Edited on Sat Dec-05-09 11:44 PM by TorchTheWitch
I've also seen other 48 Hours documentaries that are one-sided and don't include most of the actual evidence. It's a tv show presented with a specific angle. Unlike most people, I look at everything and base my conclusions on the totality of that with little regard to biased tv shows.

In many instances US prosecutors are barking mad, biased, looking to promote themselves, etc. In many US instances police make mistakes or outright hide or willingly dork up physical evidence. In many US instances, forensic experts on both sides make conclusions that favor the side they represent... actually, that's probably true in most US cases. I take this stuff into account but don't use it to discount everything else... as is prudent.

I put very little emphasis on the alleged murder weapon and personally don't believe it was Knox who weilded it on Meredith. If no murder weapon was found at all I'd still think she was guilty. In very few cases is a murder weapon found at all, but there is sufficient other evidence to conclude guilt.

As I said, I don't believe she was abused by the police at all since her own physical appearance and behavior contradicts that. Her stories have changed from not being there are all to being there with her boss with her boss killing Meredith to not knowing whether she was there or not. Her changing stories also change to attempt to explain evidence against her as it came out and she admitted to lying about the story that imcluded her boss conveniently when it was determined absolutely that he wasn't there. After this alleged sleep deprived interrogation where she claimed to have been there while her boss killed Meredith why did she not refute that after she got to rest instead of weeks later after it was proven that she'd lied about that? Come now, it's pretty damn obvious that she blamed her boss to cover for herself, her boyfriend and Rudy and only changed that story once it was discovered she lied. She let her boss sit in jail for two weeks because of her pointing at him as the murderer.

Guede claimed he went to the house with Knox that night, had consensual sex with Meredith, went to the bathroom because he wasn't feeling well, heard screams and came out of the bathroom to find Knox arguing with Meredith and then trying to strangle her, and claims it was an Italian man he had never seen before (Knox's "boyfriend") who stabbed her in the neck. The reason he wanted a fast-track separate trial was because according to him he believed that both Knox and her boyfriend would blame him. I don't know where in the world you get this silliness that he never placed Knox or her "boyfriend" at the scene...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22332240/page/4/
Rudy Guede was returned to Italy on Dec. 5. At first he claimed he wasn't in the cottage the night of the murder. Now, like Amanda, he's changed his initial story. In statements to both German authorities and to his lawyer, Rudy says he was in the house with Meredith when she died. He said they'd made a date the night before, on Halloween when she'd been dressed as a vampire. A date to meet at her house for a get-together that ended in consensual sex.

They went to bed, said Rudy, then he went down the hall to the bathroom with a bout of stomach cramps. He said he had his iPod on up loud when he heard Meredith screaming.

Richard Owen: He emerged from the bathroom to see her lying in a pool of blood and "an Italian I did not know" grasping a knife in his left hand. He and the unknown Italian then struggled. The Italian wounded him in the palm of his right hand and fled making some kind of racist remark as he did so, something to the effect that "they say in Italian a black man found is a black man condemned." On other words, "they're going to think it was you."

Rudy says he then cradled a dying Meredith in his arms who managed to whisper only the sound "Aff..."

Richard Owen: And Italian media has speculated that 'aff" might be Raffaele.


Initially, Knox did deny being in the house that night. She claimed she was at her "boyfriend's" house all night and that she came back to the house the next day to discover the broken window, blood in the bathroom and other parts of the house, and that she just took a shower and went to get her boyfriend and both of them returned to the house... all without calling the police about what she initially claimed she thought was a buglery and calmly takes a shower while noticing blood in the bathroom. The police only arrived to return what they had believed was the stolen cellphones belonging to Meredith that were found by a woman in her garden. Knox's many wildly different stories started from there.

Maybe you should do a little research on this case beyond a biased tv program?








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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 11:18 PM
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29. One by one (I think I had seen these):
"There was a fresh drop of Amanda's blood".... her own blood in her own bathroom. Imagine that.
"She was seen by two different witnesses at the basketball court"... she hung out in the area she lived.
"Both her and the "boyfriend" turned off their cellphones at 8:40pm"... she turned off her phone. So? Is this the only time she's ever turned off her phone? Is this a criminal act, now, turning off your phone?
"Most of her own stories admit she was there in the house"... being in the area at the time of a murder is not an act of murder.
"Her DNA was found on the handle of the knife"... it's a knife from her house. All the the knives in my house probably have my DNA on them. Do you autoclave your kitchen knives or something?
"Her willingness is shown by her continued covering up for herself and the others involved..." She was in a drug haze. Hashish if I recall. Not exactly functional, with a likely faulty, and disjointed, memory. Having a crappy memory because you're chronically stoned isn't an act of murder.
"...coupled with the evidence of her presense at the scene." Again, it was her house...?
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 12:19 AM
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31. it's the timing
The fresh drop of blood on the bathroom tap indicates she was at the scene at the time of the murder which before that was discovered she denied claiming she was at her "boyfriend's" house all night.

Her being witnessed at the basketball court with the two other people also accused when she had claimed for four days after the body was found that she was at her boyfriend's house all night and then claimed after she was arrested that she met her boss there is significant. Sorry if you can't see that.

Her and her boyfriend turning their cellphones off at 8:40 in the vacinity of the scene when Meredith was killed sometime between 9pm and midnight while she was claiming she was at her boyfriend's house all night with him is significant. Sorry if you can't see that.

Being in the area at the time of the murder when one is claiming they were in a different area at that time is significant. Claiming for days that you weren't at the house at all for days until evidence is found that you were there and then claiming yes, you were there and your boss did the deed is significant. Sorry if you can't see that.

The knife that is alleged to be the murder weapon was not found at the house... it was found at Knox's boyfriend's house one of which was confiscated by police and found to have been cleaned with bleach and had Knox's DNA on the handle.

Blaming her conflicting stories, blaming her boss for the murder then blaming her boyfriend for the murder on faulty memory induced by pot is so absurd it defies belief particularly when each conflicting story is detailed only until evidence reaches the point that no other excuse but faulty memory is left.

Evidence places her at the scene the night of the murder when for quite some time she denied being there at all the night of the murder.



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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 12:40 AM
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32. Thank you for connecting the dots for me!
Fishy as hell, but fishy as hell isn't enough to convince me of guilt in a murder.

The jury seems to have thought otherwise, and now I can see why.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:28 PM
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19. Professor Fletcher would have been
better off saying that we couldn't understand the verdict because the Italians hadn't adapted our judicial system in total. Their system may appear to be the same, but when it is looked at closely, there are major differences. People in the US just think it's completely the same because they don't look deeper. The MSM certainly doesn't spend any time sorting out why they aren't alike.

If the MSM or somebody spent some time pointing out the differences that occur before and after the trial, there might be less hooha. We certainly don't grant new trials as easily as they do. The first trial appears to be more or less a grand jury proceeding masquerading as a jury trial.

Our system is just as prone to monkey business in some ways if the judge and prosecutors decide to play the system. They may do it separately or together. An example are the cases where the prosecution doesn't turn over evidence that might prove the defendant innocent or at least cast some doubt.

Another example is the Willingham case where the father was convicted of purposely setting a fire that killed his daughters. The verdict was based on incorrect assumptions about the evidence left by fires and a less than scientific look at anything. In addition, the father wasn't a paragon of civic virtue and that didn't help. Before he was executed, many experts in the field of arson spoke out about why he was Innocent based on new and different scientific methods of looking at the remains of a fire. Governor Perry wouldn't even consider what they were saying. He also mucked up the commission that was supposed to report on the case. He deserves to fry in hell for not having the decency to do the right thing because he might look soft on crime.

A last kink in our system is the use of coroners who are elected officials in many cases to determine cause of death. Until ME's were accepted as the correct method to use, the cause of death was not determined by a scientific process. Coroners are still about in the land.

I wouldn't particularly point my finger at any system. There are some beyond the pale, but ours can be a FUBAR more than we admit.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 10:16 PM
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23. the Italian lawyer on Seattle TV
said this is comparable to losing the soccer match but there will be more games.
The fact that she received less than life means there are reasons for appeal - as in it shows there was lack of consensus among the jurors. They do not have to find errors to file the appeal.

Whatever happened to Dershowitz, he has revealed himself to be quite a pompous ass.
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 10:27 PM
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25. In some ways this case reminds me of the Louise Woodward case
Very, very different in most ways, but I think the way the 'behaviour' of both women - 'loose' morals and all that - were portrayed by the prosecutions in their cases ultimately helped convict them.

(Louise Woodward was the British nanny who was found guilty in 1997 of second degree murder of the eight-month old child in her care, in Massachusetts, but on appeal the conviction was reduced to involuntary manslaughter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Woodward_case)

The Woodward prosecution tried to paint her as a good-for-nothing 'tramp' because, as a teenager, she had used sex chatrooms on the internet - in other words, she was a regular teenager. Quite what this ever had to do with the case I'll never know, but it was all designed to portray her as an immoral lowlife. I watched the trial on British TV and it just astounded me that this irrelevant shit was even allowed in to the trial, it was extraordinary.

The Knox prosecutor did much the same kind of thing, using her internet fantasy stuff to paint her as a freak and a sexual 'deviant'. Granted, her essay on her fantasy about a guy raping and murdering a woman was chronically fucked up stuff, and no doubt seriously damaged her, but again, quite how it helped prove she was involved in this murder I just don't know. True, it was probably used to show her 'state of mind', but how is that convincing without even a shred of any other evidence to link her to the murder? And there isn't a shred!

But it helped paint her as a foreign woman with loose morals, just like Louise Woodward. And juries never take kindly to that class of being. Depressing stuff.
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