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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:35 AM Original message |
What percent of gay men are infected with HIV? |
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Djarun (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. ????? |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Children are easier to get rid of and aren't lethal... |
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Djarun (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. invalid comparison? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
2. Thank you for your work on this dsc. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I also agree, excellent post. Insightful and it raises genuine thought. |
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crazyjoe (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
4. what percentage of gay men refuse to use condoms? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I haven't a clue |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. That's some seriously fucked up logic. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Why should gays be required to be more "emotionally ready" than straights? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
30. And how many gay people in California didn't want to marry until they knew |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
32. Jesus - there's so much wrong with this. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
35. a couple of things |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
41. A lot of people didn't get married because they didn't want |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
50. Probabally the same percent that are infected with AIDS |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
52. Sorry, but this is just dumb |
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crazyjoe (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. I never said gay men refuse to use condoms, I'm saying that if you don't, |
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name not needed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
61. Probably the same as the amount of straight men who refuse to. |
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Mugweed (939 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
9. Probably not as many as straight men wth herpes |
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Djarun (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Or as many straight men with children out of "wedlock" |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Gay sex has yet to cause a single unintended pregnancy. n/t |
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Djarun (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
34. thank goodness for that |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
45. Not really a valid comparison |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
15. The city estimate is almost certainly high. Urban populations are not representative. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
59. The urban rates reported are somewhat greater than the rural rates, but the difference isn't huge: |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. No, the difference is probably larger than that. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Sorry, no cigar: look at the definitions in the report I linked: |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Yes, I know that's true of the report you linked. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Here's the MMWR link for the five city study: |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. But they are not taking a random sample of people in that area. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Those may be perfectly cogent remarks. But public health policy will be based on |
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brewens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
16. Even if the FDA allows gay men to donate blood it is likely to.. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. some do out of not having a willing partner |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
20. You've made a few serious statistical errors. Your numbers corrected correspond with the CDC |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. No it isn't as I mentioned in the other thread |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. You have to stop thinking about it as a single study. It's based on "National Surveillance" studies |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. But the figures you quote do come from large cities only |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. 1 in 10 sounds about right. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. I don't see it as behavior -- its the issue of sexual community |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. No it isn't |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Your table shows infection rates in Baltimore and 4 other cities |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Here's what the CDC says about the overall national numbers |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I'll reiterate: the 13% figure only comes if you use the 3.7% figure for 'had anal sex' |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. So let's say 10% |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. No, let's say "1 in 12", since that's what the CDC says |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. No it isn't |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. You're confusing several things now |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. your table is totaly unlabled so we haven't a clue where it came from |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 06:29 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. It came from the CDC fact sheet I linked to. Also the table itself has a footnote at the bottom |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. That doesn't answer the question, though. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. The national surveillance study looks at a wide variety of sources |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
46. The NHBS wasn't designed to determine *prevalence* it was developed |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Which "CDC statistics" are you referring to? |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. +1. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. I also applaud dsc for trying to look at this rationally and come up with a statistical viewpoint |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
39. The figures you cite are idiotic |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. So the CDC is idiotic? |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
58. He noted gay men only. Add bisexual men to the math, and he's still basically correct. |
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nealmhughes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
21. Actually, all stats would be what is termed "self-reported," and therefore suspect. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
31. Estimating the rate of HIV infection by the numbers going for testing |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
42. The whole "study" |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
47. I would say this is next to impossible to figure out |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
57. ... During June 2004--April 2005, participants in five NHBS cities (Baltimore, Maryland; Los Angeles |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. The CDC estimates the number of MSM unaware of being HIV positive at 21% |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I'll certainly agree the CDC methodology (using later diagnoses to estimate currently undiagnosed |
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