Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

When an Anti-Choice Catholic Woman Needed an Abortion . . . .

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 07:06 AM
Original message
When an Anti-Choice Catholic Woman Needed an Abortion . . . .
http://www.alternet.org/story/144396/what_happened_when_an_anti-choice_catholic_woman_needed_an_abortion_at_dr._tiller%27s_clinic?page=2

The Andersons were devastated to learn their unborn child wouldn't live. Dr. Tiller showed them the compassion they so badly wished they had from their friends

It was during a routine ultrasound, Gail's first, when concern was raised over the development of the child. Told by their doctors that there was no cause for alarm, the Andersons were referred to specialists who referred them to another set of specialists. Finally, at 27 weeks, a doctor out of Baton Rogue gave them the honesty they had needed, informing them with regret that cystic masses were covering the child's left lung, forcing pressure on a heart that had not fully developed.



Gail would be forced to deliver her child through c-section, as the stress of a traditional birth would be too much for their baby's body to handle. Their baby would need to be on life-support machines for months until able to have the surgeries required that could repair the damage of the child's suffocated heart and remove the masses from the undeveloped lung. As painful was it was for the Andersons to hear that this child they wanted so badly might not live even after the surgeries intended to repair damage, they were forced to make a decision that not only challenged their personal strength, but where they fit into their Catholic faith.



After a frank discussion with their specialist, they decided that not only did the quality of life of their unborn child need to be questioned, but the life expectancy even if surgeries were successful. There were no guarantees and one day, one month or one year could be added to the life of their child, but not much more than that. After discussing every option available to them, the decision to visit Dr. George Tiller's office in Kansas to have a late-term abortion was made. Both Andersons sunk into a depression, feeling as if they were losing both their child and their religion.



What they suffered at the hands of "friends, family and fellow Catholics" would break your heart.

This is, however, another example of how some people can't imagine another's situation until they are in it themselves.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 07:12 AM
Response to Original message
1. The reality of it is that MANY would choose abortion if they were in a "bad spot".
Edited on Mon Dec-07-09 07:13 AM by PeaceNikki
This is an amazing article by one of my very favorite authors Joyce Arthur: http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html">"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion" When the Anti-Choice Choose


Abortion is a highly personal decision that many women are sure they'll never have to think about until they're suddenly faced with an unexpected pregnancy. But this can happen to anyone, including women who are strongly anti-choice. So what does an anti-choice woman do when she experiences an unwanted pregnancy herself? Often, she will grin and bear it, so to speak, but frequently, she opts for the solution she would deny to other women -- abortion.

In the spring of 2000, I collected the following anecdotes directly from abortion doctors and other clinic staff in North America, Australia, and Europe. The stories are presented in the providers' own words, with minor editing for grammar, clarity, and brevity. Names have been omitted to protect privacy.

"I have done several abortions on women who have regularly picketed my clinics, including a 16 year old schoolgirl who came back to picket the day after her abortion, about three years ago. During her whole stay at the clinic, we felt that she was not quite right, but there were no real warning bells. She insisted that the abortion was her idea and assured us that all was OK. She went through the procedure very smoothly and was discharged with no problems. A quite routine operation. Next morning she was with her mother and several school mates in front of the clinic with the usual anti posters and chants. It appears that she got the abortion she needed and still displayed the appropriate anti views expected of her by her parents, teachers, and peers." (Physician, Australia)

"I've had several cases over the years in which the anti-abortion patient had rationalized in one way or another that her case was the only exception, but the one that really made an impression was the college senior who was the president of her campus Right-to-Life organization, meaning that she had worked very hard in that organization for several years. As I was completing her procedure, I asked what she planned to do about her high office in the RTL organization. Her response was a wide-eyed, 'You're not going to tell them, are you!?' When assured that I was not, she breathed a sigh of relief, explaining how important that position was to her and how she wouldn't want this to interfere with it." (Physician, Texas)

...

Many anti-choice women are convinced that their need for abortion is unique -- not like those "other" women -- even though they have abortions for the same sorts of reasons. Anti-choice women often expect special treatment from clinic staff. Some demand an abortion immediately, wanting to skip important preliminaries such as taking a history or waiting for blood test results. Frequently, anti-abortion women will refuse counseling (such women are generally turned away or referred to an outside counselor because counseling at clinics is mandatory). Some women insist on sneaking in the back door and hiding in a room away from other patients. Others refuse to sit in the waiting room with women they call "sluts" and "trash." Or if they do, they get angry when other patients in the waiting room talk or laugh, because it proves to them that women get abortions casually, for "convenience".

A few behave in a very hostile manner, such as calling clinic staff "murderers." Years ago, a clinic counselor in British Columbia told me that one of her patients went into the procedure room apparently fine with her decision to have an abortion. During the abortion, at a stage when it was too late to stop the procedure, the woman started screaming "You murderers!" and other invectives at everyone in the room.

...

On occasion, an abortion turns out to be a momentous, life-affirming experience for an anti-choice woman. A doctor from a north-western state shared the following personal story with me:

"I was born into a very Catholic family, and was politically pro-life during college. After dating my first real boyfriend for three years, we broke up, and the day my boyfriend moved out, I discovered I was pregnant. It was an agonizing decision, and something I never thought I would do, but I decided an abortion was the only realistic option. Thanks to Planned Parenthood counseling, I worked through some very tough conflicts within myself. I had to learn that my decision was a loving one. That 'my god' was actually a loving and supportive god. And that men don't have to make this decision, only women do. That it is a very personal, individual decision. I had to own it. I became much more compassionate towards myself and others as a result of my experience. Two years later I began medical school. When it came time to choose a practice, an abortion clinic opportunity came up. In working there, I began to feel that this was my calling. Having been in my patients' shoes, and coming from an unforgiving background, I could honestly say to patients, 'I know how you feel.' Deciding to have an abortion was THE hardest decision I've ever made in my life. Yet it has brought me the greatest transformation, fulfillment, and now joy. I am a more loving person because of it, and a better doctor for having experienced it. I love the work that I do, and the opportunity to support women seeking to end an unwanted pregnancy. My patients and my work are life's gifts to me, and I think my compassion and support are my gifts in return."


See, they DON'T want it outlawed. That would kill the debate AND prevent them from getting one when they need it. They just want to restrict access to people that REALLY need it (you know... THEM). Everyone else is just a murder. Get it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 07:33 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. this is well known in abortion clinics...
it is time for the "pro-life" crowd to own up to the fact that 30% of Catholics live together before they get married and many more are not virgins when they get married and most use contraception before and during marriage. If you aren't going to be abstinent, statistically speaking, there are consequences. Not everyone is going to have that child.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 07:45 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. I've been there. Catholic raised. Catholic female friend with no means of support.
Walking her to the clinic.

Wasn't my child but she was my friend and I was the only person who could help her.

Stange feeling.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #1
12. "And that men don't have to make this decision, only women do."
And that right there; is what really pisses the Catholic Church off more than any thing else.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 07:30 AM
Response to Original message
2. Amazing article, by the way. And a glimpse into the reality of "late term abortions"

"Dr. Tiller showed the Andersons the compassion and support they so badly wished they had received from their neighbors and friends."

"The staff was respectful and allowed me to have a little bit of dignity where I didn't think I had any left. It made me sad that I didn't get that from my friends or my religious community, but from strangers in a hospital setting. To this day, I am bitter about that," Gail confessed.


These patients and doctors are not monsters. The people who judge them are. "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 08:21 AM
Response to Original message
5. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 08:35 AM
Response to Original message
6. 1 million recs
wish I could pass this around to certain people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 08:37 AM
Response to Original message
7. Does the Catholic Church excommunicate you if you have an abortion?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #7
11. No, it doesn't.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #11
16. When did that change? (nm)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #7
17. I was raised catholic and my recollection is that you excom yourself
Essentially if you commit any of a number of 'mortal' (kill the soul) sin, you excommunicate yourself.
Seldom are such sins done publicly, such as having sex outside of marriage.
As such, if you knowingly commit a mortal sin you are expected to refrain from communion until such sins are forgiven through confession. Each communion while before the confession was another mortal sin.
When I was a teen, if you didn't hit the communion rail it was a sort of public notification of transgression causing tongues to wag.
And, yes indeedy, abortion was definitely a mortal sin. I can't imagine that has changed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 08:45 AM
Response to Original message
8. Hypocrisy is like an immutable law of nature for right-wingers
It doesn't matter what subjsct is being discussed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 08:52 AM
Response to Original message
9. K & R nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 08:55 AM
Response to Original message
10. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 09:08 AM
Response to Original message
13. Standard RW hypocrisy
and in one of the posts above, how a 16-yr-old could have an abortion procedure, and then be present to protest the clinic later shows both the intellectual dishonesty and lack of compassion required to be a repub/conservative/neo-con/freeper/right-winger these days. :banghead:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 09:16 AM
Response to Original message
14. K&R
The abuse the Andersons suffered from their so-called friends and church is horrible.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tsar_Bomba Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 09:41 AM
Response to Original message
15. The way I see it the "pro-life" movement has nothing to do with saving life
It's has everything to do about punishing those who are deemed morally and mentally weak by another group. This group thrives on the punishment part to make themselves feel superior but are just as or maybe even worse at making moral decisions themselves. Yet they don't seem to realize that money is a powerful tool that gets them out of situations like unwanted pregnancy. Could it be that the wealthy elite feel they are entitled getting abortions, cheating on their spouses etc.., because of their social status?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #15
23. It is NOT pro-life. It is anti-choice. There is nothing pro-life about their position.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:08 AM
Response to Original message
18. i vaguely recall a statistic
about the high number of catholic women who do end up getting abortions because they don't use contraception. that has probably fallen off now that so many do.
but i had a friend who worked in an abortion clinic, as a pa. she was horrified by what went on, but needed the job. until she got pregnant for the 4th time with a hubby who was not the greatest.
yup, you never know till it happens to you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:12 AM
Response to Original message
19. Cry me a fucking river...
""I've had several cases over the years in which the anti-abortion patient had rationalized in one way or another that her case was the only exception, but the one that really made an impression was the college senior who was the president of her campus Right-to-Life organization, meaning that she had worked very hard in that organization for several years. As I was completing her procedure, I asked what she planned to do about her high office in the RTL organization. Her response was a wide-eyed, 'You're not going to tell them, are you!?' When assured that I was not, she breathed a sigh of relief, explaining how important that position was to her and how she wouldn't want this to interfere with it."

I hope this hypocrite is outed this just like closeted gay right-wing politicians who use their position to satisfy their needs while denying the rights of others to do the same.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:16 AM
Response to Original message
20. It's not pro-life.
It's pro-forced birth. The misogyny displayed by these people is sickening.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:21 AM
Response to Original message
21. Even if it is illegal...
Conservatives and Republicans still may have the economic means they can always leave the country to get the procedure.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 09:58 PM
Response to Original message
22. Dr. Tiller was a saint. He provided a badly needed medical procedure for those with little hope.
I sincerely hope in some way, shape or fashion, accomplices to the murder of Dr. Tiller like Fux's O'Rielly, pay for their crimes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 09:48 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC