A country where those who control the media display imaginings and tales of extreme violence almost

[ConsAreLiars]

constantly, and even computer games are almost completely about killing and conquest. All of that is standard fare being fed to the kids and adults every hour of every day. And a half second display of a 5X5-pixel image of a female nipple shocks the whole nation (well, the corporate media anyway) almost into state of apoplexy.

How sick and depraved is that? What kind of a nation is that? What kind of people and vale systems are those who control those media trying to produce?

I think they know, and I think they are quite pleased with the results.

[villager]

1. The sickness apparently extends to whoever unrec'd this...

...so instantaneously.

Somebody feeling threatened, perhaps?

[ConsAreLiars]

3. Damn. I just read another post and replied and then refreshed to discover that the Jackass brigade

is very alert and active. Nice to see it's at +2, and sad to see that those sickos who think showing/training full-scale brutality is worse than showing/training a mere hint of sexuality are still around here.

(edit slightly to be more clear, maybe)

[Occulus]

5. I was working on a response and decided not to bother until I read what you said

The canard of violent movies and video games has come up here again and again and again, and there's no evidence for any of it "causing" violent behavior. To think that game devs and movie studios are in on some 'conspiracy' (for lack of a better word) to push society in a more violent direction is laughable because there's no causation.

And THAT'S one reason I hit unrec as soon as I was done reading. Those of us in the gamer subforum have heard and debunked this shit before (remember Mr. Benchley, anyone?), and we're sick of it, pretty much one and all.

The only people I know of who complain about how violent games or movies or TV shows are are people who don't themselves watch or play enough of it to be a good critic of the media onto which they're trying to pin bad behavior.

FOR EXAMPLE:

"even computer games are almost completely about killing and conquest"

NOT true. In fact, laughably untrue. So untrue, I know without asking that the OP doesn't have a very large collection of any sort of games, because if the OP did (as I do), s/he would know that the words "almost completely" are about a million miles away from being true.

That's a second reason I hit unrec; that statement was so far from the truth, it was a dot on the horizon.

edit: here's another canard: "display imaginings and tales of extreme violence almost constantly". Again, the OP is not as familiar with various forms of fiction on television and in theaters, because if s/he were, the OP would never have said that is the first place. Is there violent content in movies and games and television? Yes, and nobody would dispute that. The OP, however, goes out of their way twice to imply that that's almost all there is.

The entire premise simply isn't true. Third reason for hitting unrec.

[villager]

9. No -- what's true is this: You can release, play, and laud a violent videogame

long before you can release and play a *sexy* or *erotic* videogame.

That's what the OP was after.

I don't think Left 4 Dead 2 is going to turn my son into a rampaging psycho (though I wish he'd take more breaks from gameplay), but believe me, if there was a game with amounts of nudity and sex to match L4D2's level of violence -- to stick with that example -- it would have a rating of "AO" and not "M."

Why?

The same double standard applies to films, TV shows, etc...

[Greyhound]

2. It is no measure of health to be well adjusted

to a profoundly sick society. - Jiddu Krishnamurti

Got the count back to zero.
:kick: & R

[ConsAreLiars]

6. Just looked up Jiddu Krishnamurti. He asks good questions.

* Can there be absolute security in life?
* What are we to teach the young?
* What is real freedom?
* Why am I responsible for the world?
* Can the mind have no fear?
* What is our consciousness?
* Why do we make sex so important?

Having spent some time in India I'm quite familiar with the Sadhu/Guru vocations and a skeptic, but these are indeed valid questions. The least one is easy, but the others more challenging.

I knew the name and the sort of ambiance around it, but read the Wiki for more detail: A good, smart, compassionate, insightful person. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

[defendandprotect]

4. k i c k

[Manifestor_of_Light]

7. I know what violent movies do to me.

They make me very depressed and give me horrible nightmares. I made the mistake of seeing The Dark Knight. That was the movie that made me think that Hollywood doesn't want to bother with characters or plot. This movie had absolutely nothing positive or redeeming in it. The film was nothing but threats of violence, murder, bank robbery, explosions--yuck.

I refuse to watch any horror movies or extremely violent movies. Consensual sex scenes don't bother me. Violence or threats or violence do bother me. And they never show the aftermath of pain, suffering, social fracturing, death, and so forth.

They are sick.




Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. --John Lennon

The basic thing nobody asks is why do people take drugs of any sort? Why do we have these accessories to normal living to live? I mean, is there something wrong with society that's making us so pressurized, that we cannot live without guarding ourselves against it? --John Lennon


Thich Nhat Hanh:
We must also be careful to avoid ingesting toxins in the form of violent TV programs, video games, movies, magazines, and books. When we watch that kind of violence, we water our own negative seeds, or tendencies, and eventually we will think and act out of those seeds.


"I know the ludicrous search for the edge that seems to obsess all of Hollywood today. My joke is, what do you have to do to have edge credentials anymore, die? Is snuff the only thing left?…If there's a battle of filth going on right now- and there may be- I'm not against it, but I'm not a participant. There are no more sexploitation, gore, or blaxploitation movies…The reason you had those movies was because Hollywood wouldn't do them. Well, Hollywood does all that now."-
--Director John Waters (Cecil B. DeMented) voicing his disdain for Hollywood in the September 8th issue of Entertainment Weekly.



"The evidence is overwhelming. To argue against it is like arguing against gravity," said Jeffrey McIntyre, legislative and federal affairs officer for the American Psychological Association, in the May 9, 1999 New York Times.


"What is inexplicable to me is how anyone with a brain would write, direct or participate in a film that promotes violence. They have a clear image of what a civil society is like. Why not spend your career promoting that vision rather than working against it?…The tragedy is it's the irresponsibility of artists that invites the government to take a position on artists. Freedom from censorship is very recent and fragile, and if you abuse it, you lose it." -David Puttnam, producer of Oscar winning Chariots of Fire, in the July 11 Los Angeles Times.

[ConsAreLiars]

8. Exactly. Please post every one of those quotes as a new thread every day from now.

Or the whole thing as a new OP. That/they/you said it far better than I ever could. Thank you.

[anonymous171]

10. There is too much sex on TV these days. The nation has disregarded biblical values.

:sarcasm:

Left wing cultural whining is just as annoying as the right wing's blathering about the "gay AJENDUH."