Stinky The Clown
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Tue Dec-08-09 06:34 PM
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Ya see how brainwashed we are ...... even the smartest among us ...... most of us ...... |
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..... when speaking about how we get healthcare, say that we wish we had good insurance.
We've been made to equate healthcare and insurance.
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dmallind
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Tue Dec-08-09 06:37 PM
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1. Not that I'm claiming to be the smartest...but in defense of that habit |
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"Insurance" does not necessarily mean paying a health insurance company to cover you. In England where I grew up, with a fully nationalized single payer system, we had (presumably still have) National Health Insurance numbers. I believe the Canadians have a similar phrase too, but not sure there.
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gateley
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Tue Dec-08-09 06:40 PM
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5. But "insurance" to us DOES mean paying a health insurance company to |
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cover you. That's the only kind of "health insurance" we've known.
If we could get a plan like England or Canada, I don't think we'd care what they call it!
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Tue Dec-08-09 11:43 PM
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16. Understood, but I still dispute that insurance automatically = private. NT |
MercutioATC
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Tue Dec-08-09 06:38 PM
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2. "Healthcare" isn't a problem in this country. ACCESS to healthcare is. |
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When we talk about "healthcare", I assume we're talking about how we access it...and, since insurance is how we access health care in this country, most people will reply that they wish they had better insurance.
It's not "brainwashing", it's simple logistics.
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Cant trust em
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Tue Dec-08-09 06:44 PM
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7. I'm not sure that the health care is even the best |
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Looking at our outcomes, it's tough to make that case.
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Tue Dec-08-09 09:32 PM
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14. We undoubtably do have some of the best quality health care on the planet. |
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The issue is that it's unavailable to many people.
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Tue Dec-08-09 06:38 PM
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insurance is the gate-keeper to healthcare |
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sure you can show up at the ER and get patched up, but try showing up and asking for more than a bandaid.
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Cleita
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Tue Dec-08-09 07:50 PM
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12. Funny how Canadians and most people in the industrial countries of the |
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world can show up at the doctor, clinic or hospital and get quality health care without any insurance and neither bills nor money changes hands between health care provider and patient. Your gatekeeper is starving those who can't pay the price of admission.
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Tue Dec-08-09 06:38 PM
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3. You're right -- many of us have never known anything else. It's just so wrong. nt |
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Tue Dec-08-09 06:40 PM
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4. America has the best health care in the world... |
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America has the best health care in the world... (Just keep repeating.)
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Cant trust em
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Tue Dec-08-09 06:43 PM
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6. I think that my insurance is better than my health care. |
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Kaiser is OK, but it feels like the health care factory. Quick and quick.
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Tue Dec-08-09 06:44 PM
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It just makes me shake my head.
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Tue Dec-08-09 07:37 PM
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9. Good health care depends on your doctors; paying for it depends on insurance |
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if hospitals don't practice safe hygiene they can kill you in the presence of insurance
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Tue Dec-08-09 07:41 PM
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It happened in one generation, too :(
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Cleita
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Tue Dec-08-09 07:41 PM
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We don't need insurance. We need universal access to healthcare. That means that we should be able to get the health care we need regardless of our ability to pay, which is why we need national health care, not insurance exchanges with a lot of byzantine actuarial voodoo written into it.
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Tue Dec-08-09 08:08 PM
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Tue Dec-08-09 09:35 PM
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15. I see that most from people who have HC insurance or usually have HC insurance |
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I see that a lot less from people who haven't ever had HC insurance though.
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Tue Dec-08-09 11:54 PM
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17. Brainwashed? More like Terminally Naive. Naive Underground. |
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