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optimal-tomato Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:02 AM
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Attention Disgruntled Obama-Voters!
I'm well aware that not all Obama voters are upset with his right-of-center performance or gradualist policies, so I'm not trying to say all Democrats, liberals, or whatever are dissatisfied. But I am, and I'm convinced a lot of other people are too. But rather than whine about being sold a bill of goods, I want to start planning on how to make the most of the current situation and plan for a better tomorrow.

If you're intent on defending Obama, please understand I'm not saying you're deluded or misguided or anything like that. I'm also not interested in having a debate about whether liberals should be satisfied or not. That's a topic for another thread. In this thread, we try to think of ideas of how to get better policies and more progressive candidates into the Democratic Party mainstream establishment, and maybe into the more powerful offices in the government. Here are a few of my ideas (off the top of my head):

1: Start planning for the 2016 Presidential campaign. Let's assume Obama's going to get the nomination in 2012 and win reelection. In the meantime, let's look for promising candidates for '16 who would be a strong progressive voice in Democratic primary debates. In '07 and '08, the only people on the stage who was unabashedly liberal was Kucinich, arguably Gravel, and to some extent Obama (who will not actually push the policies he claims to believe). Kucinich, as much as I love him, is a media joke. The guy doesn't look presidential, and has enough quirks to be a serial punchline. I hate it, but the media would never allow him to be taken seriously. We need to learn from that.

The rules of the game suck, but we have to win that game to change those rules. So we need to take a long look at our bench and cultivate some media-friendly compelling candidates. We need fresh faces that people haven't prejudged. People who can speak authoritatively about policy and liberal values. I'll admit that I am at a loss for many good names here, but I'll toss out a few people that I'm tentatively impressed by. Rep. John Yarmuth (KY), Sen. Russ Feingold (WI), and Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (FL). In the five years before the '16 primary season, we should be scouting strong prospects and doing everything we can to raise their profile, and push them toward running: ( _____ for President facebook groups, emailing their staff, or even promoting them if we live in their district).

2: Start planning for the 2012 Presidential campaign. Even if we're essentially stuck with Obama, let's not act like it. If he feels pressure from the left (you know, his voters/fundraisers/volunteers), he's going to try to accommodate us. But let's not be satisfied with trinkets like a Medicare opt-in for the sickest people above 55 years old or baubles like a 2011 Afghanistan deadline that literally means nothing. Let's start shopping around for a credible primary challenger who is somewhat interested in a Quixotic race to unseat the President. They don't have to actually run, just hint or threaten. A Kennedy to Obama's Carter. This is probably the most controversial idea I've got, but what is Obama's biggest fear? It's not that he'll be seen as an average centrist president. It's that he'll be a failure. Nothing looks more like a failure than someone who can't even coast to renomination unchallenged. If the media smells even the slightest bit of blood in the water, they'll start talking about Obama's inability to hold his base. Maybe that will move him toward us. Maybe that will make him a stronger progressive, just to prove to us he's on our side. I'm afraid sometimes that the GOP attack on him was right. He is weak, that's why he always bends to accommodate the conservatives. Let's use that weakness to bend him back our way.

3: Start aiming low. Obama's not going anywhere, probably for two terms. But his advisors and appointees can be cut loose at any time. Geithner and Summers are a disaster, trying to hold up and block every meaningful financial reform. Outrageously, Geithner is apparently not doing enough for the bankers, because Obama is thinking of replacing him with the head of JP Morgan. Rahm Emanuel only cares about winning the publicity battles, regardless of whether good policy is made. Robert Gates, Stanley McChrystal, and David Petraeus are being blatantly insubordinate when they contradict the President, claim that we're in Afghanistan to "defeat Karzai's enemies", and leak their opinions to the press during strategy talks. Obama is too weak to fire them. But as Glenn Beck (of all people) showed us: Obama will throw anyone under the bus if they become a liability. Let's focus our anger on these people who are actually enacting the White House's policies (and seemingly pulling them to the right as they do it).

Sorry if this post is too long. Even if you don't have any beef with Obama, these ideas are still worth considering, I think. He promised change and we have to make him deliver it. We also need to start thinking about what to do after Obama. The country is not a right-wing one, but the establishment (even the Democratic establishment) is geared toward that right-wing. We need to think of ways to change that (particularly ways we can change that as individuals with no institutional power). I'm eager to see some of your ideas and your reactions to mine.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:16 AM
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1. I'd rather wait to see what's going on with the President after he's been in office
FOR A WHOLE FUCKING YEAR.

Fuck me your post just reeks for a couple different reasons. Repost it in three years when all the issues are settled.

If you're still here.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:23 AM
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4. +1
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:27 AM
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5. Yo, Irish, howareya??
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:30 AM
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7. Freezin'...but other than that, well. You?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:31 AM
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8. fookin' cold here, too....
I hate the weather in North America. Fucking Republicans.
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optimal-tomato Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:30 AM
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6. I'm sorry if you find it offensive...
...to be a proactive citizen who is trying to engage his party and his government even during non-election years.

Please send me a PM when it's an acceptable time for me to voice my opinion. You know, after the issues that I'm concerned with are already settled, as you say...
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:32 AM
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10. Sure, I'll let you know....
:rofl:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:49 AM
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27. How many more years of this can we take?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:56 AM
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28. It IS tragic, innit??
:rofl:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:18 AM
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2. hehe. This is sarcasm, correct?
;)
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:18 AM
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3. you mixed up 2 and 1.
obama could have been the next fdr- but he's chosen to be the next lbj.
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Ildem09 Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:32 AM
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9. I agree
I agree! he could have been so much more, I like Obama as a person, however he has screwed the pooch, I worked front line with the SEIU in southern Indiana on health care reform over the summer and seeing what is happening to health care now is depressing. I'm giving him 3 more years to impress me
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:36 AM
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12. So who is your choice for 2016? Nader? Kucinich?
Conyers?
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optimal-tomato Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:36 AM
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11. I disagree.
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 01:38 AM by optimal-tomato
I think Obama is guaranteed renomination. Dems will ultimately rally around him (as you can see from the responses to my post). Our number one priority should be seeking a candidate that has a track record of progressivism who is a good choice for a 2016 nomination. No one could hope to push Obama away from running again, it would be an admission of failure. And no one could unseat him. My second idea is merely to provide as much pressure as possible as early as possible to steer the ship to the left (hell I'd accept to the center).
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:46 AM
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13. I'm disgruntled (at the moment) but I'm with the guy for a complete
term. I can't make a judgment after less than a year. And, as much as he's disappointed me, he's done a lot that has really impressed me and made me appreciate him. Give him a chance -- a real chance and some time.
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optimal-tomato Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:52 AM
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15. I appreciate your position.
I'm just trying to turn that dissatisfaction I'm feeling into proactive ideas that can hopefully help get those policies Obama advertised so effectively last year enacted. I am still unsure of exactly how the presidential field really shapes up, but I'm thinking that a strong web push early on can help put a strong liberal on the map. I'm not saying start canvassing tomorrow, I'm just saying we need to be putting some thought into it even this far out.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:31 AM
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24. And I appreciate yours, but I feel if I keep focusing on what I'm disappointed
about, then I will never see the good that he may do. That's why I want to give it time -- and see if we even feel the need to be focusing in that direction. At this point, it would seem like we were admitting defeat already, and I don't feel defeated.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:54 AM
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16. i disagree.
he may be guaranteed renomination due to the nature of the 'selection' process- but if he knows that he's doomed in the general, he won't seek it, nor accept it.

lbj gave us medicare- but vietnam doomed him.
if we're still knee-deep in afghanistan in 2012, and unemployment is still ridiculously high, and healthcare is still a mess- he won't stand a chance.
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optimal-tomato Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:14 AM
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20. If Obama doesn't stand a chance, no Dem does.
I could be wrong, but I don't see anyone who could save the Democratic brand if Obama basically says: "I fucked up". Republicans will nominate someone who could pretend to be the competent guy (Romney probably) and whoever the Dems nominate would not only have to wear a failed presidency around their neck, but also a failed party.

Not that I think things will be this bleak, mind you. Obama is already planning to pacify the left with some choice policies in early 2011 (like repealing DADT). Things that he doesn't want Congressional Dems to have to explain to their voters in 2010. Of course, if the Dems keep floundering, I don't know how helpful that 2011-2012 Congress will be.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:24 AM
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23. token gestures aren't going to pacify the left.
and it's WAY too early to try and identify a potential candidate for 2012, especially when people will be clamoring for change. REAL change. it might even become the year that a third-party populist could take the prize.

although it also means that there's plenty of time for obama's fortunes to change- it's going to be difficult to get out from under afghanistan, because there's little chance that it will go well, or at all as planned. the economy is anyone's guess...?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:12 AM
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18. LBJ could at least get Congress to do what he wanted
Obama is more like Tony Blair, not undoing most of the bad things that his predecessor did and adding annoying measures of his own.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:21 AM
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21. And signed a bill he knew would cost the South
Did it again a year later. How many could you imagine would do such a thing today?
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:50 AM
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14. Some people wouldn't be satisfied if Jesus Christ was POTUS....
they'd bitch because he didn't perform enough miracles.
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optimal-tomato Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:59 AM
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17. Or that it would be blatant violation of the Constitution.
Jesus was not born in the United States. It may also be a violation of the first amendment to have a living God take federal office (because Congress' laws would affect the executive branch, which might be considered a religious institution...)

I hope you were characterizing people complaining about Bush as "bitching".
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:56 AM
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29. or run, instead of walk, across the water.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:13 AM
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19. you need to perhaps aim a little lower
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 02:16 AM by hfojvt
Congressional elections 2010. One thing that could definitely push Obama to the left would be to defeat some blue dogs in primaries and to defeat more Republicans in the general election.

edit: concentrate on winning in some of these districts http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/99

If Democrats get shelled in 2010 like we did in 1994, then expect to pull your hair out for two years.
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optimal-tomato Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:22 AM
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22. I'm all for it.
But two things have factored into my original post. The first is that replacing Blue Dogs with progressives and defeating Republicans should always be on our agenda, so I guess I assumed it was fine unsaid. Second, my the focus of my Poli-sci degree was presidential studies, so I tend to think in terms of the White House. I see a lack of leadership from Obama (mostly lack of engagement). If LBJ was in the Oval Office, Health Care would have been done in August, Cap and Trade done by October. I was hoping that we could use this thread to brainstorm how to get that kind of leadership out of Obama, or failing that, start looking for a more progressive leader to succeed him.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:06 AM
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25. I think you over-estimate Johnson
The Civil Rights act took about a year and Johnson was helped by King and Humphrey and also (sad to say) by the assassination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

medicare took some time too, and look at the majorities that Johnson had 2-1 in the House and 66-34 in the Senate, and also he won by a huge landslide in 1964.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_Act_of_1965

too many people focus on the Presidency and overlook Congress. When I was watching the election returns in 2004, the first thing that was announced was that Congress was staying pretty much the same. Kerry still had a chance to win, but looking at the Congressional results I thought we were toast even if Kerry had squeaked out a win.
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optimal-tomato Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:05 AM
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26. I may be.
But I think it's undeniable that Obama seems not to want to fight for even his own position. He didn't even mention a public option when he talked to the Senators recently. It would be one thing if Obama was going to the mat for this stuff, then being forced to compromise when the numbers aren't there. But as far as I can tell, he seems intent to preserve his political capital by giving things away and putting contentious issues off. The votes are there to end Don't Ask Don't Tell, and he could make some immediate changes to policy that would end the investigations into gay soldiers. But he's actually trying to rein in the eager Congressmen who want to tackle the issue. At first, I thought he was concerned about circumventing the clear law of the land (similar to a signing statement, but without the statement), but when he claimed separation of powers to protect his staffer from Congressional testimony recently (over an admittedly stupid issue), it's pretty clear that he's perfectly happy to try to concentrate power in the executive branch.

In short: you have power in Washington when you exercise it, not when you horde it. Obama basically gave Lieberman his committee chairmanship last year, and in exchange for that, Lieberman is blocking his health care bill. It looks like Obama is all carrots, no sticks.
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