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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:22 AM
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Dear Barack, Spare Me Your E-Mails - By Robert Scheer
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 11:23 AM by kpete
Dear Barack, Spare Me Your E-Mails

Posted on Dec 8, 2009


President Barack Obama speaks about the economy at the Brookings Institution in Washington on Tuesday.

By Robert Scheer

Barack Obama’s faux populism is beginning to grate, and when yet another one of those “we the people” e-mails from the president landed on my screen as I was fishing around for a column subject, I came unglued. It is one thing to rob us blind by rewarding the power elite that created our problems but quite another to sugarcoat it in the rhetoric of a David taking on those Goliaths.

In each of the three most important areas of policy with which he has dealt, Obama speaks in the voice of the little people’s champion, but his actions cater fully to the demands of the most powerful economic interests.

With his escalation of the war in Afghanistan, he has given the military-industrial complex an excuse for the United States to carry on in spending more on defense than the rest of the world combined, without a credible military adversary in sight. His response to the banking meltdown was to continue George W. Bush’s massive giveaway of taxpayer dollars to Wall Street, and his health care reform has all the earmarks of a boondoggle for the medical industry profiteers.

Health reform was the subject of Obama’s Tuesday e-mail, which proclaimed in its heading, “We will not back down.” Addressing me by my first name, which I assume is in acknowledgment that I, like the millions of other suckers with whom he so intimately corresponds, had contributed to his campaign, he began with a clarion call for yet another contribution, this time to donate.barackobama.com/FinalStretch.

more:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/dear_barack_spare_me_your_emails_20091208/
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:24 AM
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1. The "we will not back down" email infuriated me, as well.
I rattled off a response in vain---like writing an angry letter, then throwing it away.
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:27 AM
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3. "We will not back down"....more than 10,000 times this year
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:27 AM
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4. Technically, it's not backing down if you never intended to do it in the first place.
:banghead:
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 12:28 PM
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12. So True.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:57 PM
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34. Hey guys, you're so mean... he never promised to not back down!
not fair!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 12:46 PM
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13. Spot on, once again.
Every time I see him cozy up to Colin Powell--who should be in the dock in The Hague--or hear him praise the uber-asshole Ronald Reagan, I seethe. The disillusionment so many are going to have for this man will be a horrendous spectacle.

Pointless war to prove himself to reactionaries who will always hate him anyway, sucking up to and enabling the very fiends who looted our economy, grandstanding with a sham of health care and shoving religion down our throats with subversive dishonesty really takes the joy out of the whole show for me. Those who believed in this man will be increasingly bitter and vengeful.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:11 PM
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17. The information about Obama was always out there, including when he ran for president.
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 02:52 PM by tonysam
He was never a progressive, never a liberal, but rather a neoliberal along the lines of the Democratic Leadership Council and even of the Chicago School. People either didn't bother to research his background, or those chose to ignore it by being taken in by all of the media hype.

Neoliberalism has been completely discredited and debunked, yet Obama and other politicians in the Democratic Party continue as if they ignore the facts.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:47 PM
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26. +1.
Still, I have to admit that, despite my lack of illusions about Obama, I didn't expect him to be quite this bad.

From another thread that rang true: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7189258 :

Realistic people on the left have long known that the last act of American strong-arm capitalism would be a massive gunpoint redistribution of wealth from the public to the owning class through the private financial sector -- which the owning class happens to own. But few would have expected it to be executed under a Democratic majority in both the House and the Senate. Or under a Democratic administration honchoed by the first black president.


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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:31 PM
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44. The irony of this particular zetz was entirely gratuitous, and petty.
Not surprising, IOW.
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:10 PM
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29. 'Tis true.
However his campaign was couched in the imagery and the slogans and the political evangelism of real social movements. It was a clever way to sell the "change" schtick but it created expectations (deliberately so, I believe) that were at odds w/ his actual positions.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:42 AM
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Welcome to DU! I hope you continue to share insight like this very often.
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 11:42 AM by rudy23
I think you nailed it with this post.
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 04:03 PM
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107. Thank you!
:hi:
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:18 PM
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20. It pissed me off too and I promptly deleted it. nt
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alllyingwhores Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:15 PM
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51. It's a little thing the DLC likes to call TRI-ANG-U-LA-TION...can you feel it?
...
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:24 PM
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53. It Appears That More & More People Are Starting to "Get it".
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #1
65. I felt the same way. I was going to say something here at DU but at the time
I wasn't feeling up to taking on the pennant wavers.
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:58 AM
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71. I removed myself from that mailing list a while ago
theres a link right at the bottom for you to do the same.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 08:51 AM
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81. I did too
A long time ago.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:24 AM
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2. I felt exactly the same when I got the email!!! n/t
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:30 AM
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5. Yeah, always begging for a donation.
I get the feeling that's the real reason behind the E-mail messages. Not to update me, just an attempt to get a donation.

Well...I've donated all I'm going to until Obama does what he said he'd do. When he keeps ALL of his promises, I consider donating again. Until that time, he'll just have to wait for any further donations from me, just like I'm waiting for him to do what he promised he'd do.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:34 AM
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8. do they really think we have money???
everyone seems to have their hands out, except us.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:30 AM
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6. Not only is he pretending to be a populist, but he's sending Rahm out there to curse populists!
Does he think we're absolutely blind? Or Republicans? I think it's the latter. I bet Rahm just thinks Karl Rove is the biggest badass on the planet.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:31 AM
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7. money's still trumping peace, last time I checked...
Can we quit appeasing the GOP losers yet?
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:34 AM
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9. It is my regret that I can only recommend this thread once.
K&R!
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:38 AM
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10. heartily recommended--my thoughts exactly--& when do we reach critical mass?
at what point do our letters and e-mails have any effect? are they even being read? does anybody at the other end even care?
It seems that no matter how loudly people protest this insanity, they are ignored.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 09:49 AM
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87. Presume Rahm would be happier if there were less liberal/progressive emails . . .
and phone calls --

I do get away from it myself when you feel so completely ignored.

But I think what we should do at those times is double our efforts -- ???

I think they do look at them - at least in the sense of someone registering general

opinions -- plus I think they have their own polls -- and, in other words . . . they know.

IMO, I think Obama had a tidal wave vote -- a landslide which wasn't acknowledged.

Some say the GOP stole 24 Congressional seats, as well.

We might never know. But I do think within certain circles the reality is acknowledged

and I think that's the kind of thing that caused Pelosi the morning after '06 to state

firmly that Dems were elected to end the war. Didn't happen . . . but she obviously felt

pushed to acknowledge it at the time.

Same with her coming out a month or two ago to say there would be a "public option."

It's game playing with the public on their part -- and then the counter-force of elitist,

extremely wealthy right wing/corporate power comes in and all is forgotten.

Given the Stupak Amendment and Pelosi's role in that via the Catholic Bishops and the call

from Rome . . . they are paying attention -- but to money -- and not to us.

Except for the begging in the emails and around election time.

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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:39 AM
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11. Bwahahahaha - read Kos' response to the same email:
Really? All we have to do is send the DNC $5 and we get ponies? The same DNC that is enabling corporatist Democrats to water down and destroy any hope for health care reform? That DNC?

This is so freakin' obnoxious I can hardly stand it. We are about to get a turd of a "reform" package, potentially worse than the status quo. We have the insurance industry declaring victory, Republicans cackling with glee, and the administration is using that piece of shit to raise money?

Obama spent all year enabling Max Baucus and Olympia Snowe, and he thinks we're supposed to get excited about whatever end result we're about to get, so much so that we're going to fork over money? Well, it might work with some of you guys, but I'm certainly not biting. In fact, this is insulting, betraying a lack of understanding of just how pissed the base is at this so-called reform. The administration may be happy to declare victory with a mandate that enriches insurance companies, yet creates little incentive to control costs or change the very business practices that have screwed so many people. But I'll pass.

Democrats are demoralized, and have little incentive to turn out next year. The teabaggers will turn out. If this is how the Obama camp thinks we can energize the base -- by promising them a health care pony for $5 to the same Democratic Party that is home to the likes of Baucus, Nelson, Lincoln, Lieberman, and the rest of the obstructionist gang -- then we're in for a world of hurt in 2010.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #11
61. Exactly - and I'm afraid he's right about the "world of hurt." nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 09:54 AM
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88. And makes you wonder . . . anything on the horizon on controll corporate money in elections???
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 10:02 AM by defendandprotect
Similar questions . . . where is re-regulation of capitalism?

Where is the Fairness in Broadcasting Act?

Where is an end to these wars and the bankrupting of our Treasury?

Where is any concern for America's homeless and impoverished??

Where is a jobs program so long overdue?

Who is going to disconnect the Fed from our Treasury . . . by the way haven't

they just been given even greater access to run amuck with Treasury money?

Where is MEDICARE FOR ALL?

And why aren't Democrats calling their members out into the streets to counteract

Teabaggers and to make clear what it is we want?

Still wiretapping?

Where is an end to this pyramid of corruption and crime triggered by the Bush/Cheney gang?

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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:08 PM
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14. I just unsubscribed ---
and when you do so, you are asked why you are doing so -- and I did.

Unsubscribing can be a great opportunity to let his people know how you are feeling.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. I think I'll do so as well.
Thanks for the suggestion.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:52 PM
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28. amazing. look at these consecutive 4 posts by 4 different posters...

They all have the same avatar, peace sign! :)

I know, it's OT, but... how rare of a coincidence is that?? I thought it was sort of interesting and cute.


Let's hope it's a good sign. :)


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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #14
41. Thank you....
I just did the same...Mentioned WAR and more WAR....said I was donating to the local food pantry instead...etc.
Oh...and he'll not get my vote again...
I was wired..
I should not be writing when already mired in sludge.

peace~
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #14
55. Thank you for that info, Hell Hath No Fury. I have been sending them scathing emails
in response to these requests. Sounds like the "unsubscribe" route is the way to go.
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pollo poco Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:32 PM
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57. I also unsubscribed
Won't back down. What a firkin joke.
I asked him who really owns him.
My only HOPE at this point is that someone will throw me some CHANGE.
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:59 AM
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72. me too
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:44 PM
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15. I'll be asking for a refund of my last donation when I respond...
Tired of paying them to coddle to special interest groups, along with a war that can't be won.

I'm done.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:06 PM
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16. Whew, glad I wasn't the only one who felt this way....
Must have been a burp when someone pressed >send> because now I have double copies up the wazoo.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:27 PM
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19. Spare me the E-Mails, AND...
...the lofty rhetoric and posing in front of the TV cameras.

I get it.
You CAN deliver an inspiring speech.
That and $2.50 will buy me a cup of coffee.

Instead of delivering pretty speeches,
how about delivering POLICY that helps Americans who have to Work for a Living.
Just saying.


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:13 PM
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30. That is" if " Americans "can find work" for a living!! just saying..eom
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:20 PM
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21. K&R
n/t
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:18 PM
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22. K&R
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:59 PM
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23. I sent an email about four months ago to get my money back when they
backed torture and not bring people to justice - torture, the war, and now no meaningful healthcare reform - not likely to get another dollar from me - they will have to rely on those they have been rewarding for contributions - congress, banks, health providers, insurance companies, military, mercenaries and whomever else he has given all our tax dollars to
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:07 PM
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24. BECOME A PROUD FORTY PERCENTER
they dont need our money - they need our votes. Let them know now we wont go to the polls - even for good Dems. It is the only leverage we have.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #24
45. Technically they don't really need our votes. They used to need the plausibility of our vote
But I think they are realizing they don't even need that anymore.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:48 AM
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70. If I don't get a dem challenger for my Rep in primary I'll write in "none of the above"
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zoff Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #24
90. That's what I've been saying!!!
Threaten to stay home! Now they have the chutzpah to ask for money too? I'm sure they can find money elsewhere. As to my voting, an ice cube stands a better chance in hell, if this charade keeps going. We gave them congress and the White House. If they don't deliver, then there's no reason to vote.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #24
102. I'm with you. I wont allow my vote to be taken for granted anymore. n/t
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:13 PM
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25. It's official -
when you get up that high, the only kind of candidate you're allowed to be is corporate.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:49 PM
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27. K & R !!!
:kick:
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:29 PM
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31. Yep
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:43 PM
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32. amazing how long it takes some folk to catch on
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:56 PM
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33. ++++++++++++++++++1. n/t
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:59 PM
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35. and yes, Obama did run as a Populist
his actions indicate he is more of his opposite.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:02 PM
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36. knr nt
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:22 PM
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37. knr
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:24 PM
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38. K & R
yep
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:20 PM
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39. Scheer op-ed is being disingenuous
Scanning his opinion pieces on truth dig over the year, they all basically say the same thing: Obama sucks. He makes it sound like he supported Obama by getting his supporters emails and is now disappointed. His criticisms reflect a total misunderstanding and misrepresentation of his policies, no sympathy for the forces working against his efforts and the mess he inherited, and his team's positive results. This is just ideological noise not based in factual objective reporting. How is this different from Limbaugh?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:46 PM
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46. I do not think that word means what you think it means
disingenuous: lacking in frankness, candor, or sincerity; falsely or hypocritically ingenuous; insincere.

Disagreeing with his opinion does not make his opinion "disingenuous".
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:18 AM
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67. that;'s exactly what i mean.
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 12:31 AM by BREMPRO
his title and some of his op ed suggest he WAS a supporter of Obama. When you read his other op-eds it's clear he's NEVER been a supporter and a consistent critic of Obama and his team.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:57 PM
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59. OMG... how is Scheer different than Limbaugh???
Are you living in a cave with no electricity???

I feel the same as Scheer. Except that I asked for my donation back.

Obama is a HUGE let down.

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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:28 AM
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68. in the sense that he relies on hyperbolic opinion and ideology not based on facts
to criticize Obama. Just from a different political pole. Trying to get people here to question their assumptions- many are based on opinions that are driven by ideology- the facts are important and many are ignoring them. Scheer's editorial is a cartoon strawman of Obama and his administration, not the reality of what they are doing, their intent and accomplishments.
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d3m0l1sh3r Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:25 PM
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40. give him a break people.
NO ONE will be satisfied with a president these days.. he's a demo and he's our president. GIVE HIM A BREAK, he's trying. I'm sure McCain would be soo much better >.> NOT
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:24 PM
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54. d3m0l1sh3r....here! here! and welcome to DU!
Obama is not god and I am not truly happy about what is not changing but I will give him more time, while watching and prodding him to get us out of this horrible mess. He has to weave through a political nightmare. I have hope that his end game is to help me and you and our civil democracy.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:40 AM
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97. +1
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 03:53 AM
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73. He's gotten far more breaks than he should have been given at this point.
I don't give a damn if he's a Green, if he's a corporate apologist does it really matter what party he is?
By the way, the "Doesn't suck as much as Republicans" meme was old like eight months ago. I don't mean just on here, I mean in general.

Yes, he's a Dem and our president, and he and the Democrats in congress are working long and hard to ensure we not only lose our majorities, but actually manage to come out behind for having had them. Awesome.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:29 PM
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42. Well request to get off the mailing list. Whining about it on DU isn't going to stop the emails
Personally I think Robert Scheer has been "grating" a long while now.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:29 PM
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43. Fortunately, I have an effective junk e-mail filter in use. K&R
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:52 PM
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47. politics is about compromise and
small plane crashes that inconveniently take out your favorite politicians and sometimes it makes me want to puke to hear so many people giving up and bending over to be gang raped by cheney bush limbaugh and hannity and the trillions of dollars they represent.

save us super obama, even while 1000 of the loudest radio stations in every state repeat shit like 'obama's head needs to roll' (limbaugh sept 10/08) and no one complains.

they might as well be yelling your mother is a whore from those 1000 radio stations but the left won't hear it because it gives them headaches to listen to it. plug in another CD.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:52 PM
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48. You can't expect to escalate wars, rip-off the populace for the elite and still be a populist hero.
It just doesn't work that way.

Robert Scheer is correct, and as usual, unheard by the people most desperately needing to hear.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:29 AM
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94. +1.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:57 PM
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49. K&R for the truth....n/t
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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:11 PM
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50. It's not as bad as Robert Scheer says

Wall Street: Obama had to make sure the financial sector didn't collapse. He should have nationalized some institutions, but could he, politically? I don't know.

Health care: Obama couldn't do more than the Congress let him do.

Afghanistan: I think Obama is wrong here.
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ImOnlySleeping Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 09:03 AM
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85. HC
"Obama couldn't do more than the Congress let him do"

He cold at least articulate a populist opinion and then collapse, but I seem to recall him starting the debate by removing the public option. It would almost appear that Congress could only do as much as the president would let them.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:20 PM
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52. I've unsubscribed from these POS emails that lie, lie, lie
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:26 PM
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56. Highest recommendation.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:55 PM
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58. "We will not back down.... from capitulating to the wackadoodles"
Those emails piss me off too. I hope the ones I send him actually make him think about what he's doing.



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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:17 PM
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60. Great letter. I told them to take my name off the email list months ago...
I can't imagine how I'd feel if I still received that manipulative bullshit.

K&R
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Turk 182 Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:35 PM
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62. K&R nt
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:46 PM
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63. I'm so glad I removed myself from that list early on
When he appointed Larry Summers, Tim Geitner, and Tom Vilsack.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:48 PM
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64. I could litter this thread with +1's but I'll K&R once and not be obnoxious.
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 12:08 AM by MessiahRp
I have a very hard time supporting this President or this party anymore after their continuous blatant sell out to corporate interests.

At first I used to think this was Democrats just being weak and spineless. I mean come on, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi sure play the part of ineffectual cowards well enough. However I realized that all along we have been played for suckers. Democrats are not weak at all. They are not caving either. They don't support us at all. They're using us for votes. They really do believe in the pro-corporatist crap they put out there to enrich their well connected friends. Washington is a hustle for them. They get into office and make as much money as they can. OBSCENE amounts of money. And the only way to do this is to load up your buddies or companies you have a vested interest in and watch as your family, friends and even yourself once you retire from the role of bank robber, er, Congressperson get rich as hell.

Liberals and good hearted Democrats are probably just as easy to use as the people on the right. Think about it. The right is easy to use because they are intellectual lightweights who are incurious to facts and are pulled along on emotional social issues like Abortion and Gay Rights that conflict with years of bigoted teachings in their families and churches.

The Left while far more educated on all issues and topics can be used emotionally as well. Especially now. After 30 years of watching their jobs disappear, watching their loved ones die or suffer because of health care corruption, watching their friends and family be shipped to wars of choice meant to enrich corporate buddies in the military corporate industries, seeing the Constitution shredded and watching friends and loved ones discriminated against because of their sexual preference... we were ripe for change. And ripe to be used.

The cheerleaders will say, "Obama never said he was going to do ______". The problem is he never really had to. He said "Hope" and "Change" which IMPLIED far more than some of his conservative promises.

I remember many of those same cheerleaders who are saying these things now telling us after the primaries that Obama had to play to the right and move to the center to win the election and that once he was elected he wouldn't be so centrist because nobody ever stays completely at the center.

The problem was it wasn't an act. The entire time he was spouting "Hope" and "Change" he was moving to the center right for good. Positioning himself permanently. That's never really how these elections are supposed to work. Previously, moving to the center was always just a tactic to assuage fears from the undecided independents.

After 8 years of Bush, "Hope" and "Change" meant a LOT more than Obama's ardent supporters on this site care to admit or understand. Bush was CHANGE in the other direction. He took the Reagan era and put it on steroids. They declared war on the Constitution and Geneva Conventions and two countries all at once. They used their secret tactics and federal agencies to attempt political warfare, not just on elected politicians but also on political interest groups. They pushed Washington even further into the realm of corporate piggy bank than anyone had before (a tough task considering the three Presidents before him) and they almost ruined the nation economically doing it.

Change from that has to be drastic by the very nature of the amount of damage caused. Going to the left is the only direction politically and policy wise that we can possibly move to after Bush-Cheney.

Instead Obama and his corporate cronies decided that they would make the smallest changes possible and on the things that mattered most, continue the Bush Doctrine of Corporation over Citizen.

He defended and expanded Bush's State Secrecy rules. He refused to go after anyone for torture or war crimes. Never closed down Gitmo and pushed out an Administration policymaker that was working on that on their behalf. He announced a draw down in Iraq but wants to keep tens of thousands of troops there and is increasing troop levels in Afghanistan, an unwinnable war with no real end goal other than to prop up a corrupt election stealing government.

He decided gay rights were better to talk about in speeches to pacify the base then to actually defend. He decided Health Care Reform should in fact be a corporate giveaway and worked with Max Baucus to make it so. All so he can declare victory over a major issue, even though that victory just made it completely worse. He employed corporate cronies all throughout his cabinet and Administration and made sure that two of the biggest from Goldman Sachs got to enrich all of their Wall Street friends while refusing to really make the necessary changes to end what got us in this situation in the first place.

Where is Teddy Roosevelt's big stick? There's got to be a stick lying around in Washington SOMEWHERE.

A few months back I wrote a post here asking whether you consider yourself a Democrat anymore or not. I was on the fence. I'm off of it. I don't anymore. I was slammed pretty heavily for even asking such a question.

From the time I was 11 I followed politics and supported this party. I always sold myself the idea that Republicans represented big business and Democrats represented the rest of us. That Democrats actually had morals and believed in the concept of right and wrong.

My eyes have finally opened. They started to during the Clinton years but I like most here, wrote that off and blamed the Republican Congressional Majority. There's just no excuse this time around. We have full control and they don't care. THEY don't represent us. And for the past few decades, I wonder if they ever did.

Rp
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:41 AM
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75. excellent post.

thank you.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:49 AM
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76. Nice, Rp. nt
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:57 AM
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77. Wonderful post, Rp.
"We have full control and they don't care" sums it up for me, too.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 08:14 AM
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78. Hear. Hear.nt
:applause:
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 08:58 AM
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82. +1
Great post. It should have its own thread. Thanks for expressing what so many of us are feeling.

:kick:
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:27 AM
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93. Good post. :) n/t
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:20 AM
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95. Escalating an unnecessary "preventive" war into another country isn't center-right, it is FAR RIGHT.
Otherwise most excellent post.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:42 AM
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98. Well the entire spectrum has moved to be fair.
Nixon would probably seem like a liberal these days compared to how far to the Right Dems and Republicans have moved. :(

Rp
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:02 PM
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99. I refuse to follow the spectrum as it shifts our Republic into New (uniquely) American Fascism. nt
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:05 PM
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100. I agree with you but for the sake of the argument I was making
I would be dishonest if I didn't clarify Obama's position as center-right by the current placement of the spectrum.

Rp
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:45 PM
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103. I agree with you too, I just don't think we should let them label themselves
without a least some feedback. That is how they shift the spectrum. We can at least point out that is what is happening. :hi:
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:03 AM
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66. I deleted mine too. Geez. n/t
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:34 AM
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69. Regarding unsubscribing
if you send an email through the White House contact page, you will
start getting their donation/information emails all over again.

What you will not get is a response to your contact email.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:30 AM
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74. I don't want to sound whiny
but President Obama's E-mail struck me the same way. No pony about it, I feel betrayed.
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 08:36 AM
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79. K&R
I too am desolate about Obama's indifference to all of us except when it comes to money. When he wants donations, it's all about us and how he is out there for us. Meanwhile, forclosures continue, more and more people are homeless, jobless, penniless and in despair.
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 08:39 AM
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80. Unsubscribed. FUCK YOU DC.
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Rozlee Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 08:58 AM
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83. Oh, boy, am I gonna get it.
But,hope springs eternal in the human breast, like it says in the poem "Casey at the Bat", and like Casey, I struck out. I donated $25.00. Because Reid had said that day that the public option was not dead. And Obama seduced me like the snake seduced Eve. Because I'm stooopid. I realized this in spades when I heard about this new "wonderful" plan that was rolled out that would resemble the Civil Service Medical Insurance Plan and be overseen by OPM. I realized that the public option had been sacrificed on the alter of big insurance and I had donated that money because I was Charlie Brown and Obama was Lucy once more yanking the ball out the moment I got my hopes up again for the tillionth time. Go ahead and give me your worst shots. You can't say anything worse than I've said to myself.


:banghead:
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:39 AM
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96. don't lose faith
much is still being negotiated, on the table is a provision to require the Ins. companies to spend at least 90% on actual health care, and a trigger that would engage a public option if the private insurers don't get their act together. The exchange is modelled after WA's non-profit model which has shown success. Also there is the buy in for 55+ into medicare that Rep. Weiner says is "the largest expansion of medicare in 44 years" he's been a strong PO advocate and he's viewing this compromise as a victory. It ain't over till its over.
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 09:01 AM
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84. Hell ya
I just can't wait for the Sarah Palin administration. I always dreamed of moving to Canada.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 09:13 AM
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86. What about the banks and their scheme to destroy the homeownership dream.

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johnlal Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 09:59 AM
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89. Nodding my head in agreement...
I felt the exact same way when I received this. "Dear John..."?
Poorly timed-- right after the Dems gave up on healthcare reform. Tone deaf.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:10 AM
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91. I just delete 'em.
They're nothing more than spam to be now. But if I have some time to kill, I open them up just to see if there's a money-beg at the end.

And I really, really, really hate the personalization these things take. Just spare me already.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:12 AM
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92. K&R. I'm quite depressed about it all too.
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WyldRogue Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:13 PM
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101. I got 'Will not back down' email...
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 12:15 PM by WyldRogue
.. and I find it hypocritical in the way they worded it and insulting in asking me for a dime for a faux fight:

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As we head into the final stretch on health reform, big insurance company lobbyists and their partisan allies hope that their relentless attacks and millions of dollars can intimidate us into accepting the status quo.

So I have a message for them, from all of us: Not this time. We have come too far. We will not turn back. We will not back down.

But do not doubt -- the opponents of reform will not rest. So I need you, the members of Organizing for America, to fight alongside me.

We must continue to build out our campaign -- to spread the facts on the air and on the ground, and to bring in more volunteers and train them to join the fight. I urgently need your help to keep Organizing for America's 50-state movement for reform going strong.

Please donate $5 or whatever you can afford today:

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I don't think they'll like my reason as to why I have unsubscribed but hey *shrug* maybe should have fought a little bit harder for me....
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 03:04 PM
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104. Uhh, the presidential campaign is over
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 03:20 PM by rollingrock
Why the hell is Obama begging people for money at this time??

I think he's just a clever con artist/politician out to scam people out of their money, not unlike like Bernie Madoff.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 03:06 PM
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105. “We will not back down.”
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 03:07 PM
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106. Huge Kick, wish it wasn't to late to rec it!
:kick:
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