I'm Tired, I'm Numb And I Just Cannot Believe How Many Climate Change Deniers There Are.

[AllexxisF1]

I am numb.

From my toes, up.

Over the past couple of weeks since "Climate Gate" I have been hitting the forums where the bulk of flat footed, knuckle dragging flat Earther's have been spewing the most ignorant and truly astounding comments I have ever read.

I mean this when I say it, we as a species are doomed. I am not kidding.

From Health Care to Climate Change, I am just washed over by a tsunami of ignorance. Where do these people come from? Why on Earth do we continue to allow right wing media to literally stupefy the population.

This isn't funny anymore. There is no more comedy goodness from calling them stupid and chalking it up to natural selection.

All day today on Huffington Post, Abovetopsecret.com and others I have been fighting the good fight and feeling as though I am convincing people that the world is round. I am not kidding. These people just seem a step away from being convinced that the Earth is really flat and the sun is God bending over showing us his perennial light filled star fish.

I am numb and I can't fight anymore. I am tired of convincing these truly STUPID people of simple science.

The real pity is one day they will be proven wrong when their house floats away and clean water is no where to be found.

I am so feverishly numb and I do not want to fight anymore.

[tabatha]

1. I understand how you feel.

I have fought on other forums, and today I went to Amazon to see Gore's new book - some of the comments were unbelievable.

How many of these people did actual science at school.

There has to be some sort of educational school, with hands on ah ha experiments.

But there is no time to futz around with that - the solutions have to start now.

I feel your numbness.

[timeforpeace]

25. 100% of human beings believe that the climate changes. It's global warming they dispute.

[vadawg]

2. you got to realise that a lot of people dont really care if it means changing their lives

and a lot of people simply dont care what happens in 2100 or even in 2030...

[amborin]

11. lots of bad stuff is happening now from climate change that many don't care about either:

such as losing many other species, which can't adapt quickly enough to survive

people don't realize how truly impoverished their lives are when they lose other species....many bird species, for example, are perishing.....lots of others, too

the military believes in climate change

it's gearing up for the inevitable wars over water, land, resources.....

[Hekate]

13. "The military believes in climate change"--I noticed that several years ago, too...

It shocked me to learn that, because Bush's administration participated in the cover-up and denial through his appointments to science positions. It's the kind of thing that makes you wonder who's in charge and where...

In any case, never doubt that intelligent and aware people are over there in the Pentagon, even if we often disagree with their worldview and many of their conclusions.

Hekate

[kestrel91316]

17. I think the Pentagon report in about 2004 that said climate change was a given,

and a national security threat, actually made Bush sit up and take notice. After it came out he wasn't such a severe denialist.

[karynnj]

24. There was a major National Security Report in 2007

Here is a link to a SFRC hearing on it. http://foreign.senate.gov/hearings/2007/hrg070509a.html Well worth watching or reading the witness statements. It was definitive and scary. Some of them have testified more recently - Senator Kerry has made this a major reason for action.

[vadawg]

15. and honestly how many people care if a bird species dies unless its kentucky fried

get real, the majority of the planet are more concerned with today or next week, now you tell them that they have to give stuff up in order to stop something happening to some bird frinstance in madagascar and they will laugh at you... It all comes down to priorities and we all have different priorities...

[ZombieHorde]

3. You are just a climate same denier.

;-)

[AngryAmish]

4. You cannot change minds (it is really, really hard)

It is the way our brains work. Once you take a side in a debate then you will not change your mind - and filter all arguments and evidence through that lens.

So, arguing with these people is a waste of time. Arguing about any topic is a waste of time. So don't do it.

I'll use myself as an example. I'm a Cubs fan. THere is no good reason for this - they have sucked for years and have consistently broken my heart and enraged me. There are many other teams I could root for, one even being in town. BUt I don't since I am a fan of the Cubs.

Likewise, global warming dissenters have chosen a side. You can't change their minds.

[KittyWampus]

16. Ah, but you can change minds... just not by arguing and rational debate. What works is >>>

Using art, comedy or tragedy.

Art works because it speaks to us indirectly using emotion.
Comedy also takes an indirect approach by pointing out absurdities and diffusing our angst.
Tragic realities are the hardest method of all. When we cling to outworn patterns, reality has a way of presenting us with unpleasant situations that FORCE us to recognize problems.

[Odin2005]

5. The denialism is so very disturbing. We are the brink of a catastrophe and these chickenshits...

...spew lies and misinformation. :puke:

[FarLeftFist]

6. No one will be happy until...

We tear a hole big enough in the ozone layer that the sun scorches our flesh and destroys our crops.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. I don't think anybody should be surprised.

The numbers of Americans who believe in Creationism has been widely reported for years, so nobody should be surprised at the enormous amount of scientific illiteracy in this country.

[n2doc]

8. So many of them here too

I also am getting really sick and tired of the deniers. They have a game of sounding reasonable, but then when you take the time to point out the evidence it is never enough, there is always some nitpick that "invalidates" the whole thing. Nothing is ever enough, it is simply a waste of time to try and reason with closed minded people. Meanwhile we move ever closer to destruction.

[donco6]

9. Jesus will take care of them.

So why worry?

I really don't need to add the sarcasm thing do I?

[unabelladonna]

10. i won't be around when my house floats away

and neither will you. chill out and tackle more immediate problems. the earth managed without us for eons, by the time catastrophic "climate change" occurs we will have learned how to adapt. who knows...maybe we'll grow flippers.

[kestrel91316]

18. Climate change IS an "immediate" problem. And some of us happen to think

that fiddling while Rome burns is immoral and unethical.

[Hekate]

20. The sea is rising already and drowning the homelands of an entire culture. But chill, you don't...

... have to worry about the Polynesians and Melanesians who have inhabited the atolls and coral islands for thousands of years, do you?

Although the realization may dawn on you soon enough in low-lying formerly-swampy Florida, who knows?

Hekate

[G_j]

21. don't you mean the flat earth will manage without us? nt

[azmouse]

23. Yeah... future generations are on their own.... sheesh.

:eyes: Who cares what world we leave behind us. We won't be here.


edited to add: :sarcasm:

[Chulanowa]

12. Trying to educate people at abovetopsecret is usually a waste of time

I've been trying for years now. I suppose you can't really expect much from a "conspiracy forum" but still. Damn.

[whosinpower]

14. Well - someone once said - Ignorance is Bliss

I think at the heart of it all is that allot of people are afraid. Afraid that they will have to pay more in some way or manner to live a certain lifestyle - given how tight money is for a great many of us - it is easier, faster and cheaper to just deny that a problem exists.

If I cannot see that a problem exists then it is not my problem. See how that works? And they will cling to that tooth and nail, over reason, logic and scientific data.

My husband and I are at odds over this too. He, being in the camp that thinks this is just a big hoax to generate a carbon market where one is not needed. Climate has in the past, and will continue in the future to change. It is all natural. There is nothing we can do about it. Those were his exact words to me just the other night.
So, I asked him a question. I told him that I just recently looked up the world population - turns out it is 6.802 billion - close to 7 billion people. I said, knowing that there are almost 7 billion people living on this planet - do you think that we COULD affect climate?
At first he denied that there were that many of us....but then he said rather sarcastically, "Well of COURSE we COULD affect climate, but that doesn't mean....."
And then I interuppted him and said - well then it is just semantics isn't it? You admit that we COULD, and you admit that climate change is real, but then you deny that we are, at the very least, not helping. And it does not really matter if it is all manmade or just a small portion - if we COULD, just as you state is obvious, then we SHOULD do our best right now to affect it in a positive way rather than just keep on with our blinders on, and refuse to admit there is a problem.

He told me I watch CBC too much.

[gleaner]

19. Don't give up ....

Not everyone is stupid. It is very frustrating when something so obvious is happening and people refuse or choose not to see it. I am 62 and I know the climate is changing. Not only do I read what the experts are saying, I have lived in the same place for much of my life, and I am seeing it.

I have seen the summers get blindingly hot; hotter than I ever remember them. They last into what used to be winter. The rainy season is practically dwindling away to nothing or comes every few years in torrential spates if there is an El Nino. It was a gradual change at first. Now it is accelerating. It takes nine minutes of unprotected exposure to get a severe sunburn now. The frosts and cold snaps I remember as a child are getting fewer and fewer.

This area started as a desert once and it seems to be returning there despite all of the cultivation, water and denial that people lavish on it. Some of us see and feel as helpless as you do, believe me. My own brother doesn't believe it when I talk about it. He is not a stupid man but he is stupid when it comes to this. I did manage to convince my sister, and if she can be convinced anybody can. So please don't give up. We hear you, and we understand what you are saying. We need your voice and we need you to use it. Good post and I give it a rec and a kick.

[Bitwit1234]

22. Hell I didn't know there were so many STUPID people

in this country. One picture of the melting ice cape and if that doesn't convince them, they have been brainwashed by Inohfe...Of course he is a dried up pickle, who had the full force of Mother Nature fill him full of brine.

[Canuckistanian]

26. Oh, I hear you

The next person who starts on "those Global Warning emails" is going to..... well, they won't know what hit them.