‘KGB destroyed Hitler’s remains fearing birth of a Nazi shrine’

[TheCoxwain]

Source: Hindu

The USSR’s intelligence agency, KGB, destroyed all traces of German dictator Adolf Hitler’s corpse and threw the ashes in a river, the Federal Security Service has claimed.

According to Lieutenant-General Vasily Khristoforov, chief archivist of FSB, Hilter’s remains had been incinerated in 1970 and the ashes thrown into a river in East Germany out of concern that his grave could become a Nazi shrine.

“It was not worth leaving any grounds for the rise of a cult of worship... there are people who profess the fascist ideology, regrettably even in Russia,” British newspaper ‘The Times’ quoted him as saying.

Read more: http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article62418.ece?homepage=true

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He should have been fed to rabid dogs instead.

[TheCoxwain]

1. The person who unrec'ed this post HAS to be a neo-nazi

[whistler162]

5. unrec'd because of the OP's attitude!

[TheCoxwain]

7. What is wrong with wanting to feed Hitler's carcass to rabid dogs-I think it is a very noble thought

Dont you?



If not - I suggest you make a trip to the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC.

[AngryAmish]

11. I don't think animals with rabies eat anything

They bite, not eat. Could be wrong. Have not fed any dictator corpse to rabid animals since the 70s.

[TheCoxwain]

15. If the animals refuse to eat that asshole ... I am sure the various bacteria would happily oblige ..

[Shell Beau]

57. I did go to that museum, and it was rough.

Heart wrenching.

[arcadian]

8. agreed

auto unrec for mention of the rec function.

[Javaman]

12. oh whistler, you now become a buddy, because I keep an eye on the nuts. nt

[Techn0Girl]

14. And you go on ignore because....

I ignore nuts who think their purpose in life to to keep an "eye on the nuts" on the internet.

[Javaman]

26. LOL good one.

we all have our hobbies. LOL

[harmonicon]

23. +1

I'll join you in that. This shit has to stop.

[Posteritatis]

35. +1

[Kitty Herder]

36. Could have been an accident.

I once unrec'ed something that I totally intended to recommend.

[Adsos Letter]

2. I remember reading somewhere (no link, sorry) that the Soviets saved portions of his skull

but I also recall reading stories of them not wanting to create a potential shrine, as you suggest.

[TheWraith]

29. They believed that was the case, but it turned out not to be so.

The pieces of "Hitler's" skull in the KGB archives in fact were examined and determined to have belonged to an unknown woman.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

55. Maybe it belonged to Magda Goebbels-

The World At War TV series had an episode entitled 'The Two Deaths of Adolf Hitler' in which they show the skull fragment (The series was made in the 1970's, so they still believed it to be Hitler's skull at the time) They also show Hitler's bridgework, which they confirm to be his by matching it to photographs of Hitler wearing it. By all accounts Eva Braun poisoned herself, but it is believed that Josef Goebbels shot Magda (his wife) then himself. It's possible that it's hers, because the skull fragment in question has part of a bullet hole along the edge. (Not conclusive of course, because some accounts have the Goebbles poisoning themselves)

[Oregone]

3. But did they destroy the last beer stein he drank from before death?

[WhoIsNumberNone]

56. Hitler didn't drink

He was a strict non-alcoholic, non-smoker and vegitarian.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Wasn't that the rationale for destroying the remains of the Tsar and his family?

If so, they're consistent.

[exboyfil]

6. I heard that Stalin chuckled over pieces of his skull

Normally I could not stand that madman having any sort of enjoyment, but, in this case, I will make an exception.

[Liberation Angel]

9. I don't believe this at all - Hitler escaped and was sheltered and protected by Wall Street

Bushes, Rockefellers, Dulles, Walkers, Harrimans et al protected him and helped him escape to Latiin America.

This story is bullshit and cannot be proved EVER.

I have been studying this question for many years. The russian intelligence service is totally compromised and untrustworthy.

It is complicated but without forensics and dna this story is just more baloney which covers the wall street backing, financing of Hitler and their protecting and nurturing Nazis after the allies defeated them nominally.

[Turborama]

13. Hitler escaped to South America?

Have you got further details or were you being sarcastic?

[Liberation Angel]

16. Seriously: Nazi U-Boats (submarines) fled to Argentina/Chile/Patagonia in 1945

My family lived in Argentina at the time (before I was born). There is a researcher who has documented that Hitler apparently DID make it to Argenina and was hidden on an estancia (a farm estate) somewhere possibly on one of the 10,000 islands in Patagonia. The US government refused to even try looking for him due, presumably, to pressure from the Wall Street financiers who had backed Hitler and were invested in Peron's dictatorship (including the Rockefeller/Standard Oil banks). Rockefeller later cut a deal with Israel's leaders to "look the other way" for these "indiscretions" provided Rockefeller supported the creation of the state of Israel (he controlled the Latin American vote at the United Nations) (Source: John Loftus "The Secret War Against the Jews")

I will try to find the best research and get a link

btw, because Rockefeller et al (including the Bushes and Dulleses) ALSO had financed and were financing Stalin (see Anthony Sutton's work) so they had a common interest in claiming that the Russians or Soviets got Hitler and that he did NOT escape but was killed. There is simply no reliable evidence that he and Eva Braun did actually die; no forensics or DNA whatsoever.

I have studied the documents related to the nazis in Argentina and there is little doubt in my mind that Hitler was protected there after the war. Argenina in 1945 was a Nazi puppet regime nominlly neutral but manipulated by US financial and corporate interests.

[cali]

30. the evidence that HItler died in his bunker is overwhelming.

[Liberation Angel]

38. Oh please, how would you begin to know? anyway ONLY dna or forensic evidence can really determine...

whose remains they are and soince the Russians burn what they claim was him there is no proof (which was the point)

[cali]

52. there are a ton of reliable eye witness accounts of his last hours

He died in the bunker with Eva..

[Liberation Angel]

68. no, there are no reliable accounts

nt

[TheWraith]

31. There's been a lot of investigations of this. All evidence says Hitler died when we thought he did.

Some Nazis certainly made it to South America, including Mengele and Eichmann, but nobody has ever produced credible proof that Hitler lived past the fall of Berlin.

By the way, why in your conspiracy theory would multi-billionaires mysteriously support a communist government? They considered fascism FAR preferable to anything that smacked of Stalin and his side.

[Liberation Angel]

39. Stalin WAS a fascist - he just CALLED himself a communist

why would Nixon kiss Mao's ass? Markets! Totalitarian regimes attract investors from wall street like flies to sh*t. This is well documented history.

I have worked with the Simon Wiesenthal center and other groups on this research and I happen to have been able to interview extensively one of the top Nazi hunters in the US government who was around and investigating what happened in 1945-46 in Argentina and Chile and Paraguay and Uruguay and Brazil. HE was convinced that Hitler got to Patagonia and his investigations were scuttled by Washingon. I have seen many of the reports - which he showed me - but most were classified and destroyed BECAUSE some people in the state department etc did not want Hitler or the Nazis caught (and they wanted the gold, the intel, and the German atomic scientists who also made it to Latin America. Hitler was a wall street asset. So was Stalin.)

For the info on Stalin and western financial ties I suggest you read anthony sutton and carroll quigley. Both scholars whose work is well documented and makes it clear that most totalitarian movements of the 20th (and now 21st) century were bankrolled, often clandestinely, by Standard Oil and other wall street firms and banks, mostly wasps and their collaborators/lackies.

Most right wing propaganda blames it on Bolshevik Jews but that is just their red herring for nordic type supremacists.

[WriteDown]

33. Since you are the Liberation Angel was your father

the White Angel? :shrug:

[Liberation Angel]

41. No, my father worked in the antiNazi resistance

In Europe and Latin America.

Not real funny. If you mean the role played by Lawrence Olivier.

[proteus_lives]

51. Is this a story like the dead baby one?

You know, the kind you offer no proof of?

[Liberation Angel]

63. You need to knock off the personal attacks but I imagine i know what you are doing

I do not need to prove anything here and I will not provide personal info ...

For you to raise such an attack is beneath contempt. i did lose a child in utero ... after a nuclear leak in my hometown where thousands got sick...

But I am not going to try to prove that to you.

as far as what i said about my father, he worked with the resistance, the jewish underground and his friends were killed by Nazis in Europe.

I do not need to make anything up. Its all true. But you can believe what you want.

Quit the insults and the assertion that i did not lose a child. It is low and vile.

[proteus_lives]

65. It's not personal because I don't know you.

This all sounds so tabloid journalism or like badly written fanfiction.

When you're trying to overwhelm decades worth of study and evidence and you don't offer up any proof......

[Liberation Angel]

66. I posted links to the evidence

There is okenty of evidence

proof is subjective but I DEMAND some forensic evidence that he was killed before believing any of that crap.

You did personally insult me in violation of the rules.

[proteus_lives]

69. One site? That's the best you can do?

I see a lot of laughing icons in your future.

I've never even heard of that site before today. You don't meet the standards of evidences.

If this site is on the money, where is the international scandal? Where are the thousands of news reports, eyewitness account from multiple sources?

Where is the proof???? I found a dozen websites and articles laughing about the tourist traps Abel Basti helped create. It's laughable.

As for what you call insults, let the Mods judge us both.

[Liberation Angel]

71. the stndards of evidnces isn't even a legal concept but

As for links, Abel basti links to actual evidence and documents in FBI files and other records. I have additional sources which are not online and I can't share them without revealing confidential sources.

In any case the EVIDENCES at this site , with sources for them, are just thr tip of the iceberg of evidence out there. But Basti is on the ground in Argentina and he has some good info which can lead one ot more good info if one cares.

Do dismiss the idea that Hitler, as the FBI comcluded in 1947, had not been proven dead by any reliable evidence, is pretty telling...if you believe the KGB then I guess you'd also believe the CIA or other disinfo agencies.

I can't help that...

[WhoIsNumberNone]

60. Many Nazis escaped to Argentina

But I very much doubt that Hitler was one of them. If we assume that he could have gotten out of Berlin without being recognized and captured, it doesn't seem likely that he could have escaped detection by Nazi hunters (as many less-recognizable Nazi didn't, with mengele being the one notable exception) unless he died shortly thereafter. Many accounts have Hitler's health failing in 1945, so it's not likely he could have successfully made the trip.

[Liberation Angel]

67. he went by sub and was protected by Peron

nt

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[proteus_lives]

40. OMG, you're the best!

And with a straight face no less!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. Hitler, of course, is behind the modern pro-nuke movement.

[Liberation Angel]

48. Who needs a stationary death camp when you have nuclear power plants

just turn a dial and the infant death rate and adult mortality rate and spontaneous abortion rate goes up.

Actually the people who run most nuke plants are the corporate descendants of those who backed Hitler, especially Standard Oil and the Bush/Halliiburton Carlyle types.

Germany: 1932 5 million unemployed
Solution?

The final one.

[Name removed]

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[Posteritatis]

54. This is the single dumbest comment I've seen on DU in, well, hours. (nt)

[Liberation Angel]

61. Look, I was attacked for my antinuclear positions in a thread which has nothing to do with that

it was a personal attack.

But for the record, a european study has concluded that the nuclear industry is responsible for tens of millions of cancer and other deaths. I have posted the links to that study. As a matter of history the same companies that promote nuclear power plants and bombs and weapons are the corporations which financed the Third Reich.

And i happen to be;ieve that the industry KNOWS it is killing masses of people and doesn't care because of their Nazi mentality and the malthusian notion that population reduction by any means necessary is a good thing for corporofascism.

So if you think that my position is dumb you must be unaware of the historical records on these subjects.

You can insult me if you want. But the reality is that nukes are dangerous and can and do cause deaths. Lot of them. Corporate-wise it is the same evil entities which built the death camps that promote nukes IMHO.

Insult me, but be aware that factually I am not wrong on these points even though it may sem hyperbolic. In my opinion it is population control by disease and mass industrial death. Something perfected by the Nazis.

[Myrina]

10. 1970? Why'd they keep him until then?

:shrug:

[RedCloud]

18. who says they did?

Hitler's body was burned

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/world-wars/713-ss-officer-who-burned-hitlers-body-dies-86-a.html

He was afraid the Reds would frolic about with his body.

[Crzyrussell]

27. Burned is

not the same as cremated. The only thing the superficial burning did was make the body difficult to identify. It is very difficult to cremate a human body, especially in a combat zone with scarce resources.

[Liberation Angel]

43. That was probably a double

Hitler had numerous doubles for just such purposes. Much easier to get away if they think you are already dead.

But again - no dna or forensics no conclusive evidence he was burned or even killed.

[Myrina]

53. article says ...

"Hitler’s remains had been incinerated in 1970 and the ashes thrown into a river in East Germany out of concern that his grave could become a Nazi shrine."

Whether they're Adolf Hitler or John Doe Hitler's remains, we'll never know, but they kept 'someone' for 25 years.


:shrug:

[Liberation Angel]

64. yeah, and I am sure they had plenty of corpses to work with

they kept LOTS of people for 25 years and longer.

Anyone heard of Raoul Wallenberg? He was NEVER released and his body never found. In the soviet gulags. and he was an ardent antinazi.

[Liberation Angel]

17. Hitler Survived in Argentina (my family lived there) with US help (link)

Here is info which has documents that will let you judge for yourself.

Without dna or forensic evidence, the claims about Hitler dying in that bunker simply do not wash or pass the laugh test.

http://www.barilochenazi.com.ar/english/index.html Great and interesting site. Check out the confidential FBI informant memo in the links!

[RedCloud]

19. Why would Stalin et alia allow this murderer of 57,000,000 Soviet people to live free?

That's the rub. Think of Trotsky. How did he die and who got him?

[harkadog]

34. Why did Stalin sign an alliance with Hitler?

[Liberation Angel]

37. Hitler and Stalin both worked for Wall Street

Trotsky wasn't in hiding for one thing BUT Stalin and Hitler were both were financed and supported by the Bushes, Rockefellers et al. They were capitalist-fascists who knew who to stroke to get what they wanted (absolute deadly barbaric power). Trotsky, btw, despised them both.

(Funny I actually stayed in an apartment where Trotsky lived a few nights ago in NYC.

anyway

Stalin probably was not behind the escape. Allen Dulles was on behalf of the Bushes and Rockefellers and fellow investors in the Fourth Reich. Stalin was paid off in the billions by Wall Street at the end of the war so who knows if he approved or not. They didn't give a shit about their people they only cared about power and besides Stalin killed nearly as many i imagine of his own people during his rule one way or another.

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[mdmc]

25. welcome to DU

[aquart]

21. Makes sense to me.

[mdmc]

22. wouldn't the neo-nazi just build a shrine at the river?

Thats what I would do.. ya know.. if I was inclined to do so..

[struggle4progress]

24. Not LBN: this has been reported repeatedly for years. Here's a 2007 link:

Finally Unclassified Documents Reveal Hitler’s Fate
24.12.2007
Today Russian Federal Security Service unclassified nine historical documents, which tell what happened to remains of Adolph Hitler ... Unclassified documents reveal that bones of German tyrant and his wife were exhumed on April 4, 1970 in Magdeburg. Following day they were cremated, mixed with coal and poured into the nearest river. Protocols do not mention the name of said river, but this region has the Elbe ... http://www.russia-ic.com/news/show/5437/

[Hubert Flottz]

32. Rev Moon has brought Hitler back...

For what I can only guess?

[Forkboy]

42. I thought his ashes were in a urn on Bush's mantlepiece?

[Liberation Angel]

47. yeah -a shrine

would not surprise me

or in a case at skull and bones temple at Yale

since it was bonesmen who financed him and for whom he worked and whom he worshipped.

[Liberation Angel]

44. Hitler in Argentina (evidence and links)

http://www.barilochenazi.com.ar/english/index.html

unless you got dna or other conclusive forensics nothing else holds any water. Laugh all you want, but I believe Hitler made it to Latin America. So did the top US Nazi hunter in Argentina at the end of the war. He was threatened with death if he'd pursued it. I've read some of his reports.
But this website linked here has lots of stuff from Latin America AND US archives which may make you think twice before being sure about the bunker suicide bullsh*t.

[Liberation Angel]

46. FBI document saying in 1947 that Hitler may be alive and no evidence of his death

http://www.barilochenazi.com.ar/images/FBI_1947.pdf

Thwere is more at that site, including an informant who allegedly was involved in helping Hitler in Latin America.

Believe it or don't.

I'm just saying.

The Russian story is crap and cannot be believed.

Not unless they ave definitive foresnics and in fact there IS a forensic exam proceeding now on some teeth and jaw fragments the Soviets ALSO claimed were Hitler's (you can google that) I have not seen those result yet. But it is tricky because you need to have a definitive sample and I am not certain a trustworthy example exists.

So the documentary evidence of his escaping trumps the lack of evidence for his death imho. I want more evidence. Forensic or solid dna, otherwise evidence he escaped and his death was faked is pretty powerful.

[roamer65]

49. The Israelis would have tracked his ass down long ago...

if he survived beyond the bunker. They got Eichmann in Argentina. They would have found, Hitler as well.

[Thothmes]

58. They hunted Mengele for almost 5 decades and never got him.

[Liberation Angel]

62. It depends. But they wre awfully busy with wars and Arabs to try to do an end run around the CIA

Eichmann was a bureaucrat with no protection from above. The real Nazis who got away were under the protection of the OSS/CIA Wall Street financiers.

As I stated in an earlier post. Ben Gurion cut a deal with Rockefeller to forget about the whole Rockefeller-Hitler thing in exchange for his agreement to the establishment of Israel. And it was the Rockefellers and Bushes etc who were helping to protect Hitler. Israel might have gotten him if they were not compromised by their deal with Rockefeller et al (he even built a huge and beautiful university in east jerusalem) maybe they would have tried harder. Bt realpolitick made them have to settle for smaller fry like Eichmann.

But the propaganda saying Hitler died was very convincing to most (like the lone gunman in the assassinations of JFK, RFK and MLK it was effective disinformation) and whatever deals were cut did not include an effort to get Hitler in Argentina.

It is decent speculation but I also feel that israel probably would not want it known that they cut deals with the devil and looked the other way for US Hitler backers and nazi imports of spies etc, or that they failed to even bother trying to get Hitler (maybe they did for all we know and it was covered up in Patagonia).

But the website I linked has some interesting details on the US believing that Hitler may have survived and made it to argentina (or maybe even south africa which is where I believe the Nazi gold went in exchange for diamonds). It is a short sub trip from buenos aires to southern africa. And apartheid was a Nazi state as well.

[unkachuck]

59. K&R....a very wise thing to do....n/t

[MilesColtrane]

70. Not buying it.

You can't trust them Russkies.