It took Al Gore and Bill Clinton to get NAFTA

[AllentownJake]

It will take Barack Obama and Joe Biden to force every American to buy private insurance and take those drains on profits, the people over 55, off the insurance company insurance plans.

[dysfunctional press]

1. we haven't had a democratic president since jimmy carter.

and it's REALLY pissing me off.

[AllentownJake]

2. DLC baby

They raise the money, they write the policy.

[anonymous171]

4. Jimmy Carter was a pitiful excuse for a Democrat

LBJ was the last.

[AllentownJake]

6. Nixon ironically enough was the last

He was a paranoid crazy fuck, but he was more pro-regulation and government action to social problems than Jimmy Carter.

[leftstreet]

9. that's gonna leave a mark

But you're absolutely right!

:thumbsup:

[AllentownJake]

10. On most economic issues

the party has moved to the right of Herbert Hoover in 1928 :shrug:

[anonymous171]

27. Mind = Blown

[d_b]

28. so pathetic

because it's true.

[mitchum]

25. Absolutely! (n/t)

[corpseratemedia]

3. sounds like youre right

then when repubs are voted back in, those over 55 will get cuts in "entitlements" and health care rationing

[AllentownJake]

5. Well they are going to have to do something to pay for the debt

for the bailouts and the wars...buckle up America!

[TheWraith]

7. If it's so easy, please do go negotiate with Congress for us.

Otherwise, you're just armchair quarterbacking, and thus clearly full of shit.

[TK421]

11. You think this poster is armchair quarterbacking? how so?

could you explain that?

[AllentownJake]

13. It is funny that my friends who are uber Obama supporters

are now saying the samethings my right wing friends said when I said something critical of W are saying.

[TK421]

17. Your reasoning alone has been perfectly laid out here...responses indicating

otherwise I find highly disturbing....

I don't know what else to say...I never thought the time would come when I was at a total loss for words on this board, but now is that time

sorry

[AllentownJake]

19. I have a Christmas Party to go to of ex-team leaders Sunday

I'm going to keep my mouth shut and stay away from the egg nog.

[TK421]

20. I'm sorry Jake....I don't know what else to say

I'm going to go back to the Lounge right now...if I stick around here I may say things that could possibly get me in trouble

take care

[treestar]

21. This could hardly be true

Since we weren't interested at all in any legislation Bush wanted.

Why wouldn't that make insurance cheaper? So does Medicare. Take the oldest people off and put them on the government plan.

Ideally everyone would go onto it. It's just that this country is still full of right wingers who think it would interfere with the capitalistic system of free market wonder. Maybe just shooting them all will help? Then they couldn't vote, and we'd have a left wing Congress.

[AllentownJake]

22. Arlen Specter is running to the left of President Obama in PA right now

He has a primary, but the old snake is a calculating SOB and he wouldn't say too much that would get him in trouble at the main event.

P.S. PA is the largest swing state

[jgraz]

14. "Armchair quarterbacking": What the DLCers call participatory democracy.

They greatly prefer "armchair ass sitting". Makes it sooo much easier to sell out to corporations.

[TK421]

18. I learn something new every time I come to GD...I'm at a loss for words now

:-(

[Forkboy]

12. Like all of your posts are somehow different.

[emulatorloo]

8. Howard Dean: Senate Bill Is 'Real Reform,' A Needed Antidote To GOP Propaganda

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/09/dean-senate-bill-real-ref_n_385543.html

[ipaint]

26. Those "fundamentals of reform" he says this bill meets

Are uniquely american style "fundamental reforms". In any other country with a form of universal healthcare our fundamentals would be garbage thrown back into the crooked politicians faces by the people.

There are no fundamentals. Dean knows better but he's the guy that said medicare for all or the bill's worth nothing so seems it's time to save face while backing out of the room.

[asdjrocky]

15. And the Bush's job was to sell us out to big oil.

It's all working perfectly. Enjoy that can of beans America.

[AllentownJake]

16. Bad Cop, Gestapo Cop

Don't ask for the Good Cop he left in the 60s.

[asdjrocky]

23. I love it when people give me the-

"Oh yeah? What about the alternative?" Question. If my choice is a slightly less bad tasting piece of crap I can still choose not to eat crap.

[AllentownJake]

24. Slap with a phone book or a boot to the face

You have less teeth after both of them. More teeth in your mouth after one than the other. Either way, you are still missing teeth.

[ProSense]

29. You're comparing health reform to NAFTA?

How friggin ludicrous.

[AllentownJake]

30. Hi Pro

How are you doing tonight.

:hi:

[ProSense]

31. Doing extremely well. A lot of

interesting reaction to the Senate compromise.

[AllentownJake]

32. Until it is written into a bill no one knows

Given Howard's recent tendency to change his mind, who knows what he is going to say.

[Nikki Stone1]

33. Now you're cooking with gas, my friend!

You've got their MO.

I hate to have been right about this. All that really meant anything were the mandates. I always figured the public option would be either so weakened as to be ineffective or simply dropped. Part of me was hoping I was wrong.

:(

[johnaries]

34. What a gross over-simplification.

I hope that someday you have a chance to meet a good friend of mine - Reality.

Dreaming is good. But if you ever want to make your dreams a reality, you have to first understand the current Reality.

Baby steps.

"The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step". Not a giant leap, but a single step. There is no Star Gate or Warp Drive. One step at a time.