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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:21 PM
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Is our children eating? USDA approves school lunch meat that KFC & Jack-In-The-Box would refuse.
In the past three years, the government has provided the nation's schools with millions of pounds of beef and chicken that wouldn't meet the quality or safety standards of many fast-food restaurants, from Jack in the Box and other burger places to chicken chains such as KFC, a USA TODAY investigation found.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture says the meat it buys for the National School Lunch Program "meets or exceeds standards in commercial products."

That isn't always the case. McDonald's, Burger King and Costco, for instance, are far more rigorous in checking for bacteria and dangerous pathogens. They test the ground beef they buy five to 10 times more often than the USDA tests beef made for schools during a typical production day.

And the limits Jack in the Box and other big retailers set for certain bacteria in their burgers are up to 10 times more stringent than what the USDA sets for school beef.

For chicken, the USDA has supplied schools with thousands of tons of meat from old birds that might otherwise go to compost or pet food.Called "spent hens" because they're past their egg-laying prime, the chickens don't pass muster with Colonel Sanders— KFC won't buy them — and they don't pass the soup test, either. The Campbell Soup Company says it stopped using them a decade ago based on "quality considerations."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2009-12-08-school-lunch-standards_N.htm
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:25 PM
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1. As unfortunate as that sounds
I'm sure it has NOTHING to do with caring about the consumer (with the fast food places) but rather it is done solely to keep from being sued.
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:27 PM
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2. anyone who remembers school pizza knows this.
how to make school pizza :

1 rectangle cardboard
paint cardboard with orange tempera
soak in grease
sprinkle cheese or cheese product
sprinkle meat or pupperoni
cook at 250 degrees for one minute
sell to children at a la carte prices

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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:16 PM
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10. I always suspected the "meat" in the school lunches in High School...
was really the critters that got dissected in Biology class...

ground up and made into meatballs when the lessons were over.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:26 PM
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17. thanks for that visual lol
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:30 PM
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3. None of my kids were willing to eat school food after third grade
when they seemed to develop taste buds. I am sorry for kids who depend on school lunches for food.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:32 PM
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4. Is this the ketchup is a veggie moment nt.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:33 PM
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5. Betcha El Pollo Loco wouldn't refuse them
Their "birds" look more like road kill anyway.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:56 PM
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6. Thanks for making me feel worse...
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 08:57 PM by FirstLight
we are on the free lunch program because of the poverty factor...and now i should be worrying about the food they eat? I know it isn't great, but to some it is a necessity, so please go easy on us. I guess I'll have to call my school district tomorrow and ask them where they buy their meat? greeeeaaatt

i feel so much better now
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:11 PM
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8. I'm sorry. On the other hand, you have a right to decent product.
Free lunch programs are essential, and those children enjoying the program should have the same standards apply to their food as anything we would buy at a restaurant or store.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:18 AM
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21. I know you are right... i am just being grumpy
...I wish I didn't see so much abuse of the poor on a regular basis. It has become *yawn* to most, because there is still a disconnect between those who are living on credit and don't KNOW or won't ADMIT they are poor...and those who are just flat out broke across the board...

So stories like this get buried and folks like me are just too overwhelmed to march on city hall and fight for respect and basic health and safety ...and the beat goes on...

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:50 AM
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24. Love and peace to you.
My latest phrase...."nothing is easy anymore"....

may we all have a better New Year. :hug:
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:05 PM
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7. ewwww....
:barf:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:11 PM
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9. That, ladies and gents, is why I brought my lunch to school.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:01 PM
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11. Reagan declared ketchup a vegetable
It's been downhill ever since.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:39 PM
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12. Wasn't that the way it always was?
My recollection is of very large bricks of very old American cheese. Still can't stand the stuff.

School lunches were subsidized by surplus food that the USDA bought up to support agricultural prices. Then they stored it a few years. If it had not been sold and was approaching expiration, it went to the school lunch program.

It was probably pretty safe -- just no longer commercial quality.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:31 AM
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14. 'It was probably pretty safe' - probably ain't good enough!
:)
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:48 PM
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13. That stuff was freakin' inedible when I was a kid.
We'd probably qualify but there's no way I'd feed my kid that ghastly crap. Well, he'd have to go to public school to get it, which is another thing I don't think is good enough for him, so it's not exactly an issue either way. ;)
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:09 PM
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15. My kids won't touch school food these days.
I don't remember it being that bad, but things have probably gone way downhill.
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revolution breeze Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:30 PM
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16. We are fortunate
Our district is one of only a few in the nation to receive the USDA's Gold Award which requires daily servings of fresh fruits and/or raw vegetables, leaner meats, whole wheat grain products, and low-fat milk. The only problem my daughter has is with "chicken strips", but then again, she has a problem with any fried chicken product, even Grandma's.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:52 PM
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18. There's very little meat in these gym mats.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:53 PM
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19. K/R
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 03:25 PM
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20. I used to work at a turkey plant.
These are my opinions, but they are based in years of personal experience working in all departments of a turkey processing plant that did thousands and thousands of school lunch orders, so take that for whatever you think it's worth.

Firstly, I'd like to point out that whenever the lines run "School Lunch" orders, all of the workers KNOW that it's school lunch food. Everything runs slower and people pay very, very close attention to the little details that occasionally get overlooked on commercial orders, like wattle on turkey neck skin, broken bones/joints that are supposed to be whole, or the occasional pin feather still attached. You would be shocked at how much more careful people are when they know that this is the stuff their own kids and grandkids will be eating. I was a line leader, so I've seen my share of workers who can be a little negligent in order to save time, but that does NOT happen for school lunch--newbies were lectured quite thoroughly by their own peers about how careful we had to be with those orders, because every single worker in that plant had at least one child or grandchild eating school lunch. I'd imagine that since factory workers are not generally rich people with kids in private schools, this is likely true for the majority of meat-packing plants in the US.

Second, most of the "quality" differences between commercial products and school-lunch products are negligible. Some commercial buyers require extra inspections, but it's really more about avoiding lawsuits than anything else. I highly doubt that there's any significant benefit to the extra inspections done on top of the basic number that the USDA requires. Really, there are only so many inspections you can do before they become redundant, but redundancy looks good in court and can be bragged about in advertisements, so many commercial buyers require it. If they want to pay the extra cash for it, hey, that's fine--but the government isn't going to pay for extra inspections that don't make much difference in quality. As for using "older" birds, please understand that commercial buyers want to be able to advertise their stuff as "the best of the best," even if the difference in quality is so small that most people probably couldn't tell the difference unless they were doing a side-by-side taste comparison. It's more about being able to charge twice as much to the consumer for a "premium" meat that's barely better than the "regular" meat than any serious quality difference. Let me tell you a little secret that the industry REALLY doesn't want you to know--there is no difference at all between "brands". When we change brands, we change bags--not birds. It's the exact same turkeys and chickens whether you're buying Perdue, Butterball, Honeysuckle White, Round Hill, Shadybrook Farms, Tyson, or the store brand. We stop the line (with the same birds still on the belts) change the packaging and labels, and then start it up again. Rarely we'd run great big breeder hens and toms and cut them up for pet food and such, but even with those, the difference in quality is mostly just that breeder meat is a tiny bit tougher than regular turkey meat--probably not anything you'd notice if it was ground up into chicken/turkey patties, or cooked in a soup or stew, or if it was baked with butter, oil, or gravy--all of which are common ways that schools prepare food. Nutrition-wise, there's little if any difference at all. KFC just likes to get the younger chickens so they can charge you three times as much as what they're actually worth by pretending that there's some HUUUUGE difference in the quality.

Third, please keep in mind that school lunch meats get "graded" FAR more stringently by the USDA graders in each plant than commercial stuff does, and USDA graders have no qualms whatsoever about raising unholy hell if they find something wrong with a school lunch order--even if it's something as small as a B-grade breast in the A-grade tub. I've had graders make us empty out an entire 4000-lb tub of school lunch skin-on turkey thigh meat because they found a tiny bit of gristle in one tub. I've had to unpack whole pallets of 40-lb wax freezer boxes of meat because one box's weight was slightly off and we had to find it and fix it. They are REALLY stringent about school lunch orders--much more so than about any other orders, to be honest.

I really don't see anything there to feel terribly concerned about.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:30 AM
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22. Age discrimination.
The USDA obviously doesn't want to be accused of discriminating against elderly chickens.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:45 AM
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23. it was always inedible, and smelled terrible, too
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