It's simple. Those who truly love this country are not represented by any political party.

[NRaleighLiberal]

It's become very clear to me - the "ideal" of America and what it can be, a society where there can be hope for all, where there is balance, where there is true justice and equality - neither Dems or Repubs or any other currently existing political party has this in its sights. I just wonder if it is an opportunity lost, or an ideal that never really could exist due to the inherent greed and fear of human beings.

[Forkboy]

1. I agree, and it's why only one of my friends even votes.

They're smarter than I am (not a tall order, mind you). Me? I just keep bashing my head against the wall thinking things will actually get better like an idiot.

[Kievan Rus]

2. I agree, and it's why I'm seriously contemplating leaving this country

[medeak]

4. ditto n/t

[timeforpeace]

3. I agree, and it's why I have a neighbor who feels the same way.

[glitch]

5. I think it exists from time to time, but the rot is always there, like rust. Never sleeps.

They do seem to have covered all the bases this time though.

However, we will see:

"Those that make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." assassinating the speaker of those words doesn't make them any less true.

Furthermore: there is only one alternative to evolution and it is extinction.

[BeFree]

11. Hope

'Bout all we have left now.

Things should have been different, JFK should be an old man and along with his brother bobby, giving out sage advice. MLK would have seen his dream come somewhat true, and John Lennon would still be writing love songs, if it hadn't been for a few things that "just happened".

We lost, and the enemies of the people have gained. Planned? Or coincidence?

[glitch]

17. Ain't no such thing as coincidence.

I think coincidence theorists are implausibly disingenuous. :evilgrin:

[BeFree]

21. Good one

I can use that, if I can just remember it.

Speaking of glitches, have you seen all the dupe posts that the DU system has been coughing up? Reminds me of how Bush got elected in 2004.

[RKP5637]

6. It's what I'm thinking anymore! All that seems to count anymore is USA, Inc., not

"We the People." "We the People" seem to be in the way of profit and greed.

[HuckleB]

7. Ah, yes, another us vs. them post!

Woo HOO!!!!!!

[NRaleighLiberal]

9. Dig a little deeper, will you? Unless you are one of "them"...

[HuckleB]

10. Dig where? In your "it's simple" comment?

The sand you put over the bricks didn't cover very well.

[jgraz]

8. I agree, and it's why I started this reply with "I agree"

Truth is, American "Ideals" were always for the little guy. We've always been suckers for HOPE and CHANGE rhetoric because we desperately want it to be true. But, in reality, those ideals are just there to keep the proles going to work and going to war.

[Toasterlad]

15. I Agree With Your Reply, And That's Why I Replied.

[Ozymanithrax]

12. You ability to read the hearts of all those people who don't love this country is astounding...

I haven't seen such emotional acuity since Bush looked into Putin's heart.

People who truly love this country are members of every political party. But love of country does not translate to agreeing with any particular ideology. I know staunch conservatives who love this country and think that Obama is a communist from the Soviet Democratic Republic of Kenya. They are complete morons, of course, but they love their country.

[NRaleighLiberal]

13. Thank you.

[glitch]

19. Maybe they're just infatuated.

If you don't know your country can you truly love it?

[Ozymanithrax]

24. Loving the country isn't about jumping in the sack with Yellowstone...

People are capable of holding any number of contradictory thoughts in their minds at the same time. It may be that no two people see the U.S. of A. the same way, and that love is not simple. Teabagers love their country so much that the thought of a blackman as President makes them want to tear the whole thing apart. That is a destructive type of love, and anyone who has been around awhile has seen or been involved in destructive love.

Personally, I prefer legislators who have some sense of ethics and a moral compass rather than legislators who are in love with this country. Love tends to blind us.

[Goldstein1984]

14. Bad foundation-time to start over

Well let's see, the document by which this country-to-be declared independence was written by a slaveholder who coined the phrase "all men are created equal." Eleven years later the document that defines the nation was written by a bunch of rich white guys looking out for their own interests. More than two centuries later, we have a government no longer of, by, or for the people, if it ever was, but with a bunch of oligarchs bought and paid for by Wall Street. Maybe it's time to start over, without the economic aristocracy in charge of the "revolution." We need to rally the emerging peasant class.

[NRaleighLiberal]

18. Welcome to DU! NT

[medeak]

22. welcome!!!! n/t

[rurallib]

16. not like this is a new phenomena, just more pronounced right now

but this has been true at least since the days of slavery and then the throw away workers of the late 19th & early 20th century.

[glitch]

20. During the days of slavery there were Americans giving their lives to abolish it

to make the reality of America live up to the ideal of it.
Please don't discount them.

[smalll]

23. Then why are you on DU?

:shrug:

[NRaleighLiberal]

26. Kind of funny to see the unrecs coming out. I've been a Dem all my life,

I am 53. Worked to get Obama elected. Had great hope. But sometimes it just finally hits you that the game is pretty badly rigged. So I guess I am trying to figure out exactly what comes next....

Why are you here?

[SIMPLYB1980]

25. Helping to get NC back in the (r) I see.

:eyes:

[NRaleighLiberal]

27. Nope. I worked to get Obama elected. If you like what you see going

on in the country, I have to wonder if your eyes are really open.

[SIMPLYB1980]

28. I'm fine with the direction if not the outcome

after only one year of clean up. Hopfully we will be dug out by the time people like you hand it back to people like Jesse Helms to fuck up again.

[NRaleighLiberal]

29. So you are happy letting Yoo off the hook?

You are happy with letting the Bush crime family off the hook? You are happy with the bankers and oil people continuing to rake in huge bonuses?

sorry - I am not happy with the direction, at least from what it looks like at this point. And I understand that change takes time...that is what I do as a professional (bring work teams through change). But I also see that big money continues to rule.

Don't even bring up Jesse Helms. When we moved to NC 17 years ago, one of the most embarrassing things was explaining to friends and family that we could even possibly end up in the same state as that scum. I work with a woman whose husband refused to fly the flag at half mast when Helms died, and he was fired...that man is a hero in my book.

So unless or until you know a little bit more about me and how I feel, I would take my broad brush strokes and profanities and snap judgments and put them away for awhile.

[SIMPLYB1980]

30. Simple answer yes.

How much do you think would get done while wasting time with something that would end up with them still walking anyway?

[NRaleighLiberal]

31. Well we can agree to disagree. Because I think that letting Bush, Rove, Yoo

make a mockery out of the system (hell, Bush's justice moles are still everywhere in the courts). And if allowed to stand, and no example is made, then there is truly no crime that someone high up can't get away with.

So I am all about finding root causes of issues - and we are missing the boat in so many ways. You can't just keep putting band aids on countless cuts.

[SIMPLYB1980]

32. Well have fun with that while others

make the best of a bad situation. You see how hard getting a somewhat decent health care bill is? Impeachment would be harder, and when they walk they will truly be off the hook. Then we can waterboard all we want case the executive will have proven that power.

[sudopod]

33. Don't assume that you're somehow better than "those people."

Many good people have been deceived.