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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:17 PM
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If I were president, one of the first things I would do is work to raise taxes. A lot.
Like 90% on top incomes and work down proportionally from there, but with zero taxes for people earning twice the poverty rate (or some other multiple).
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:19 PM
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1. you've got my vote
FWIW
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:03 PM
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15. TAX BACK TO EISENHOWER LEVELS
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:20 PM
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2. I don't think a model like that would work for long
All the rich people would move to another country and then the burden on the poor/middle class would be much more.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:25 PM
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7. Really? Where do you think they would move to?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:37 PM
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10. Somewhere similar to the US but with lower taxes nt
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:39 PM
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11. horsehockey. other countries would follow suit and raise taxes as well.
we're hardly the only country running a big deficit these days.

besides, america's pretty good at taxing your money wherever you are.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:48 PM
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13. So invoke a 100% exit tax.
So that the richies have absolutely no money if they depart the U.S.

And it would be connected to their off-shore accounts.

Hawkeye-X
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:11 AM
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21. No they wouldn't - they'd reinvest excess into their businesses and expand
rather than take it out as taxable profit.

Our periods of high taxes match up with very robust economies because the taxes act as a dis-incentive to taking huge chunks of cash out and paying taxes on it. It's long term policy versus short term bubble mentality. Inversely, low taxes at higher incomes have always led to them taking out cash instead of reinvesting it, cutting costs (including employees) so they can take out more while it's taxed at low rates.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 09:50 AM
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22. People have been saying that for years
It's always the standard response to any talk of tax hikes but it never happens. And it never will happen. The people who would pick their country of residence for the tax rate have already moved to the Bahamas. The ones who haven't already left won't leave.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:21 PM
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3. I agree. n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:21 PM
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4. How are you going to get Congress to vote for that?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:22 PM
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5. I would name you secretary of getting 'er done.
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C_Lawyer09 Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:24 PM
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6. I understand what you are saying from a moral standpoint
But you don't outright screw people, by virtue of their being rich. Because truthfully, mass punishment of capitalism, doesn't solve creation of jobs by any stretch. Now, as I've just finished stating on a current thread, and many previous threads: Stop the massive loopholes within the current tax system that allow corporations to gain all of the good that the U.S. offers, while avoiding taxes by setting up p.o. boxes and shell corporations overseas, and we will have a substantial boost in tax revenue, which may be used for the greater good. That is assuming, our pro corporate govt. doesn't gut the changes with follow on legislation, disguised as riders on other bills.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:27 PM
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8. I would do that 90% top rate, but
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 10:28 PM by DJ13
I would include targeted tax breaks if they invest in new businesses, or something similar to stimulate our national economy in exchange for any reduction from that 90% rate.

The current low rates have no incentives to force them to invest here in the US, and in fact it actually encourages offshore investments to take advantage of currency exchange rates.

The wealthy back in the 50's didnt pay the top rate, there were incentives to build our manufacturing base, which in turn led to our greatest period of wage gains our country ever had.

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:30 PM
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9. No probelm with that at all
Incenting behavior is a time honored tradition because it works.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:44 PM
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12. The 90% part that people do not get is...
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 10:45 PM by Kansas Wyatt
That it FORCES the rich to reinvest earnings back into their business, new businesses, their community, etc. etc. Just because they are not going to want to pay a 90% tax bill, they would reinvest back into the economy and America, instead of just socking it away in banks, which does nothing to improve the economy.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:49 PM
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14. The top marginal rates were 91% when Kennedy took office in 1960
It is a favorite talking point of the supply siders to state that John Kennedy knew that lowering taxes was the right thing to do. They always fail to mention what the tax rates were when he took office.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:03 PM
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16. The problem with...
'tax cuts for the rich' is that all the wealth migrates to the top. In
effect, it sucks the life out of everyone below and eventually destroys
everyone.

Taxing the wealthy puts a large damper on that effect and allows the entire 'being'
to survive. More tax money, conceivably and in a proper societal government, would
use that tax money to reinvest in country and citizens.

With an effective tax policy (taxing the high income earners) would allow the
rich to get richer, the rest to get richer, and a 'more better' country.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:22 PM
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17. Stinky for President. Tax the rich the same way Eisenhower did.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 03:43 AM
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18. And a big miss!
People who make really big money don't make it as income, they make it as capital gains.

They OWN Congress and your proposal would meet an ignominous fate, eternally tabled in some sub-sub-subcommittee, about as likely to see the light of day as Dracula.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:08 AM
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19. If you were president you'd discover in short order that there's no
way on earth to get that through Congress. None.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:11 AM
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20. How would you get that through the senate?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:02 AM
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23. Which is yet another reason that you will never be President
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 10:02 AM by Freddie Stubbs
;)
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