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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 01:58 PM Original message |
It isn't THEM, it is us. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. Never underestimate the power of denial |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Where's the evidence that Congress gives a shit about us? |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. It happens at the primaries. This is where you get the candidates IN |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. We have to stop building movements based on politicians |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I agree. Movements are essential. Movements base on principle |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Hear, hear! |
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #26 |
74. I'll second that +1 |
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voc (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 04:29 AM Response to Reply #18 |
69. A movement built on an idea... |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. It's the same thing here in Minnesota, where the caucus |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. you mean like Ned Lamont |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. isn't that kinda self-fulfilling? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. How effective has Kucinich been? |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. He commands a sizeable plurality, if not a majority, of people here.... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. Effective enough to know where I stand. |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. We need to elect MORE Kucinich type politicians. He is only one man |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. Kucinich does a lot of good where he is. I don't think he's |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
47. he managed to get a majority of house Democrats |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. He voted with Boehner and Bachmann and Co. against ACES... |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. uh, yeah right. Except that one vote where they are the same |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. If that is what they have decided, they have no voice, other |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
76. Hear! Hear! |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
3. I find it hard to understand the lack of interest in voting. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
4. people are busy christmas shopping? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
77. All day Tuesday? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. We DID GOTV for Obama, and we got more war. |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Obama was NEVER worth our time. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Ah! Okay. Got it. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. Thank you for this excellent (and important!) post! |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 04:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
68. The question is can we? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
81. good luck. You seem kind of out of touch nt |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
7. K & R....ty great post |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
11. K&R - well said. |
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nykym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
13. A+ Thank you debbierlus |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
14. Interesting. If only 10% of voters turned out, and the |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. A lot of younger people have jobs. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. I see. What time do the polls open and close? This OP is about |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
61. A lot of young people talk a good fight, but don't bother to show up. |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. The progressives are floundering without leadership. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Yes. Exactly. Which is why I will be the precinct chair following |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
15. That's right. I don't understand why so many people want to give up |
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nicky187 (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
19. Concur. K&R |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
28. It's a lot of THEM too = the entire system is rigged as a right-wing corporate duopoly. eom |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. +1 |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
30. No. You've got it all wrong... |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Love the Trademark symbol, very cute (and accurate) |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Very good. I can hear the whiny mewling now... |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Yup. The real enemy of refom is apathy... |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Sometimes I fear that people mistake posting messages on |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. I wished I could recommend a post, Excellent |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
32. I think poor turnout is partly due to the people we elect don't keep their promises. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. If people feel that way, then they deserve the lousy representation |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. I agree, and I'm not defending non-voters, but I can see why many don't vote. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. And so? The fewer people who show up, the more power those who |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Somewhere it seems this went off track somewhere. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
37. Wow, all those people lining the streets to say goodbye to Senator Kennedy... |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. It's more than shocking. It's disgusting. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
40. You are right. It is YOU. But not for the reasons you think. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
41. lol. look in the mirror? DUers are part of the 10% who vote |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I wonder if they are, based on some of the posts I'm reading here. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #45 |
72. I do vote in primary elections |
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AndrewP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
44. Agreed |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
46. Excellent post and thread. There is an incredible lot to do but on top of electing progressives |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
48. "Progressives" have a shitty message and a shittier attitude |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #48 |
70. If you're saying what I think you're saying.... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #70 |
78. smug |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
49. Yep |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
52. I guess this thread is a start.... |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
53. we are a lazy ass nation. we don't want to leave our lcd big screens. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Sad, but a true opportunity for a minority, like progressives. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. Marcuse spoke to this: passive totalitarianism |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
58. apathy is a bigger deterrent to democracy than any terrorist cell out there. nt |
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Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
59. Damn straight debbierlus!!! |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
60. It's the same old Liberal/Progressive story - complain, protest, |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #60 |
79. Another excellent post |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
64. Very good points. It's really simple. Show up and vote! |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:50 AM Response to Original message |
66. Pathetic! Ten Percent |
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PJPhreak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 04:21 AM Response to Original message |
67. I had an idea that I think just might work.. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. A few things to consider first.... |
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PJPhreak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. All very good points, |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
73. As usual.. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
75. Now we're talkin' |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
80. hate to say it, but in the eyes of some (if not most) people, it IS them . . . |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
82. You are lucky ..your votes count..I refuse to vote again..since BOTH parties have stolen my votes! |
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