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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:51 PM
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"he would rather a Thai prostitute die of AIDS than have her soul imperilled by using a condom"
Elite Fundamentism - The Fellowship's gospel of Capitalist Power

The Family (or the Fellowship as it is also known), is a shadowy organisation founded in the United States in the 1930s to promote a gospel of theocratic capitalist power and American empire. Like a Protestant version of Opus Dei, the Family is best known for founding the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington DC in the 1950s, and its invisible network has not only penetrated the highest levels of political power in the United States but wherever in the world America has political or economic interests.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2353921.htm#transcr

Stephen Crittenden: Now this is interesting. You mention a number of dictators stretching back over the past 50 years, Papa Doc Duvalier, General Park of Korea, a number of Brazilian dictators, The Family latches on to these characters and signs them up for Bible Study groups. One of the most recent is President Museveni of Uganda, who's their man in Africa.

Jeff Sharlet: Yes, exactly, and in fact they latched on to Museveni after Siad Barre the former dictator of Somalia died, and that was a relationship they'd forged through Senator Chuck Grassley, the conservative Republican from Iowa and still in office in the United States, and he went to see Siad Barre who was Muslim, and he said, 'Look, I want to talk to you', Barre had been a Soviet client and now he was looking to switch sides. He said, 'I want to talk to you, I can arrange meetings for you with the Pentagon, but first we need to talk about Jesus, we need to pray.' And these dictators were no dummies, they understood that the price was being exacted, which was an ideological one, a theological one, and guys like Soeharto, of course Muslim as well, were more than happy to pray to Jesus in exchange for this massive military aid. Museveni is really only the latest of these characters, who, it's pretty transparent the relationship. I write in the book about Museveni makes friends with a major family businessman, a guy named Dennis Bakke, who was at the time the CEO of AES, one of the largest energy corporations in the world, at a mid-'90s National Prayer Breakfast, and then gives Bakke a new big contract for a $500-million hydroelectric dam, which Uganda doesn't need. Well everybody's making money, they all think they're doing God's work, and they're being supported effectively by the American government, which is sort of subsidizing this kind of thing.

Stephen Crittenden: Just going back to Uganda, one public policy outcome of this connection with President Museveni is that through him, they were able to export a Christian fundamentalist abstinence program into Uganda's policy about how to deal with AIDS. In the 1990s Uganda was being held up for its ABC policy, Abstinence, Be faithful, use a Condom. Ten years later, the results are very poor.

Jeff Sharlet: It's one of the most dismaying tragedies in the fight against AIDS. Uganda was a country that had really turned around. It had a high AIDS rate, and through using this program had turned it around, had actually successfully rolled back the AIDS rate. But because it became so enmeshed with the American Christian Right, and the American Christian Right is part of President Bush's AIDS program, was able to put pressure on these countries to drop the 'C' from the ABC. So they still want Abstinence, they believe in abstinence, but they don't want Condoms. And indeed Uganda backed very sharply away from condoms, and as predictably as any scientist could have told you, the AIDS rate skyrocketed, and people are dying again. And the most horrifying part about that, for some of these people, that's not a problem. I spoke to Senator Sam Brownback about this, who has worked actually with Senator Clinton to change the laws governing US foreign aid to make it so that we can't give money to any organisation that works with prostitutes. The example Brownback's Chief Legislative Director gave me, he said he would rather a Thai prostitute die of AIDS than have her soul imperilled by using a condom. And it's just an absolutely horrifying vision of what the Gospel says.


BTW Brownback is both part of The Family as well as Opus Dei

God's Senator
Who would Jesus vote for? Meet Sam Brownback

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9178374/gods_senator

How many people have suffered and died because of these actions in Uganda, the US & the world because they changed funding from safer sex ed to Just Say No? :nuke:
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:02 AM
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1. Condoms imperil the soul?
Wow. I didn't know that slimy piece of latex had that much power. Does seem to help prevent AIDS though, so I'll give it that much credit. But if the sould can't get by a damn condom then the universe is really screwed.

Do these people ever take 5 minutes our of their idiot lives to think about how stupid they all sound?

Mz Pip
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:10 AM
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2. Preventing possible pregnancy = thwarting God's Will = no trip to heaven
Letting people suffer horribly & die of preventable diseases = doing God's Will = trip to heaven.

that seems to be basic right wing fundamentalist reasoning.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:22 AM
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4. If there is a heaven
I sure don't want to share it with this morons.

Sorry, but self righteous, vindictive wackos aren't my idea of ideal eternal neighbors. Talk about wrecking the neighborhood. :eyes: Makes heaven sound more like hell.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:22 AM
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3. I really think that the neo-Christian fundamentalists
are opposed to anything that allows you to "have your cake and eat it too" because it allows you to escape the consequences. No prophylactics or contraceptives should be allowed because they prevent diseases and unwanted pregnancy, which is like defying god, to the crazy fundies.

Progressives, moderates, and other normal people view prophylactics and contraceptives as a good idea because they prevent diseases and unwanted pregnancy---and RW Fundies view them as a bad idea for the same reasons.

But yet, I'm sure they would make an exception for their own situation...
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:51 AM
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5. Ironic isn't it
When one considers that much of their theology is base on just that, escaping consequences. The cognitive dissonance some of these people display is simply mind-boggling. :crazy:
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vegetat Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:42 AM
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6. Eww
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:37 AM
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7. can't rec, will kick for this important information
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