WHY CAN'T WE TAKE THIS DOWN A NOTCH OR TWO AND ACTUALLY DISCUSS IT?

[Cary]

What are we here for? Are we exchanging information and ideas or are we looking for ways to insult each other?

[redwitch]

1. THANK YOU!.

I AGREE!

[tekisui]

2. You don't have to yell.

[Cary]

4. Unfortunately kind sir, I do.

This is kind of important.

[MercutioATC]

3. You have a big butt and you smell funny.

:P

[Cary]

5. Good one!

:)

[Tailormyst]

I suggest starting by not posting inflammatory threads daily.

I find people are alot more willing to talk when not being insulted, yelled at and bullied.

[cali]

6. you want to take things down a notch or two after your last OP?

You throw fuel on the fire and then complain about about the blazing.

[Cary]

16. So I shouldn't express my point of view here. Right?

Not good enough Cali. It's a discussion board and we should be able to discuss things.

[enlightenment]

21. Then start by drawing back your comment in your POV post.

Summing up a comment by suggesting that "IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT" if things go south isn't a good way to stimulate rational discussion. Nor is 'yelling'.

You don't want to discuss things, Cary. You want to tell others how they should think - and if they disagree, well, they're to blame for everything. You made that abundantly clear.

Admit that you're far from perfect and maybe, just maybe, the people with whom you with to 'discuss' things might consider it.

[Cary]

27. I never said I was perfect.

I have seen no evidence that any of you are willing to discuss this here. None. I see only a lot of defensiveness and evasion, like insinuations that I think I'm perfect. Or worse. A lot worse.

[cali]

28. I didn't say that, but that OP was belligerent and inflammatory

[Cary]

31. Which opening post?

Look, my opinion is still that advocating not voting or advocating a a third party is: 1) against Forum Rule 2; and 2) going to lead to victories for Republicans.

If I've said that in a more aggressive way, I'm sorry. It's not a positive message but I have a reasonably objective argument. My argument has not been countered with reasonably objective arguments. It's been countered primarily with ad hominems and other red herring variations.

Also there are a lot of people who think my feelings are hurt or want my feelings to be hurt. I'm not a newbie and I'm no stranger to heated debate. I happen to be a trial attorney. My feelings aren't going to be hurt and the concern is rather odd. Believe it or not I'm nearly as emotional on the subject as those on the other side. I'm very concerned that we have opened a big opportunity for Republicans. I'm also more than a little amazed that when that argument is made the response is so defensive and even indifferent to that particular consequence. I mean really, if we can't coallesce around the notion of keeping neocons out of a position of power, then what hope do we have?

Like I said, I haven't seen anyone here engaging in constructive dialogue on the issue, yourself included. Instead of trying to convince me that I'm beligerent and inflammatory, which is really just another ad hominem, why don't you take the high road and engage me in a reasonably objective discussion of the issue?

I mean a simple "I disagree, it will work out because . . ." could go a long way Cali. Or else you could say a thousand other things. Why do you and these other people keep having to try to convince me that I'm somehow at fault for the controversy?

[Sebastian Doyle]

7. Grow up

Good Lord Jesus on a nuclear pogo stick, this is childish crap :eyes:

[atreides1]

8. Okay

Let's discuss it.

[Cary]

Please, let's discuss it.

However I notice my last thread was locked and the mod said we shouldn't be calling each other out.

How do we discuss it without calling each other out? I'm thinking I'm going to do a lot more alerting, as the mod suggested. I'll start another thread on the subject in what is perhaps a less aggressive tone. Let's see if we can do it.

[Caliman73]

40. It is fairly simple to disagree with something without calling people out

If you see a statement you disagree with, you simply state that you disagree with it, why you disagree, and you possibly express an alternative to the view in the post to which you are responding.

Similarly, if you have a point of view, you simply state that point of view and describe what you believe to be its merits. You can illustrate your argument with links or examples.

You can do all of this without judging anything or anyone as "stupid" a "sell out", a "shill", or any other judgment on someone's character.

The labeling of anyone who disagrees with your point of view as somehow messed up or inferior is what derails a discussion into a thread locking flame war.

[Forkboy]

9. Got a mirror, Cary?

[Bjorn Against]

10. YEAH!!! LET'S STOP THE SCREAMING!!!!

I AM POSTING IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE GET THE MESSAGE THAT THEY NEED TO TONE DOWN THEIR VOICE!!!!!!!!!

[Lyric]

11. You keep posting blatantly insulting and divisive posts

and then you pull THIS??

Practice what you preach and stop "screaming" at everyone else.

[Cary]

34. You're reading that into my message.

I'm not insulting you. I'm expressing a real concern.

[Tailormyst]

41. Take a step back and realize amaybe its not everyone else who is wrong about your posts.

If you have a huge number of people asking you over and over to stop posting insulting and divisive posts calling for purges and splits, etc, that MAYBE, just MAYBE, you should go take a second look at your posts. If you continue to insist that the whole forum is wrong and you are the innocent victim being attacked then I'll just have to chalk it up to you suffering from some sort of delusional episode. If you TRULY want discussion why not try asking for one in a polite and respectful manner a few days from now. Then perhaps you will get a different response.

[Cary]

43. Look at you.

Do you really want to debate me about my posting style?

And what if I insist the whole forum is wrong? Is that a crime? Is that so terrible?

This isn't about me Tailormyst. This is where you and a lot of other people are going wrong. You know what? If you want to scapegoat me and then everyone else figures this mess out and fixes it, and I end up looking like a POS, then guess what?

That works for me. I don't give a rat's ass about what you and every other member of this board thinks about me. It isn't going to make a shit of a difference to me. I will not lose a minute of sleep. My life will be altered in no way whatsoever.

I'm utterly amazed that I even have to explain something so basic and obvious to you.

[Tailormyst]

45. Good luck to you Cary

I hope you resolve your issues. Have a nice weekend.

[TwilightGardener]

12. All caps = taking it down a notch?

[asdjrocky]

13. BECAUSE YOU KEEP YELLING AT ME!

[Ganja Ninja]

14. From your previous thread:

"I never expected to ask this question because I never believed we liberals would be as stupid as "conservatives" and their wingnuttery to whom compromise is anathema."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7203078

So your idea of taking it down a notch is to accuse everyone that doesn't agree with your premise of being "stupid"?

[Cary]

44. I'm not accusing everyone that doesn't agree with me of being stupid.

I stating my opinion that the concept of eschewing compromise is stupid, and I'm pointing to the wingnuttery as an example. If we emulate the Republicans then I think we're pretty damn stupid.

Don't you think?

[ima_sinnic]

15. LOL!! "DISCUSS" AWAY!

PLEASE YELL AT ME AGAIN HOW I SHOULD THINK AND WHAT I SHOULD NOT POST AND HOW I SHOULD COMPROMISE ALL MY PRINCIPLES JUST SO SOME FAKE DEMOCRAT WHO WILL FUNNEL MY TAXES TO CEOs AND NOT BRING ME HEALTH CARE AT A REASONABLE COST WILL BE ELECTED.

[MNDemNY]

17. christonafuckintrailerhitch!

NO! I, for one ,will continue to scream at the top of my lungs about how this administration seems to be abandoning DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES. torture, the patriot act, lousy "health care reform" , corporatist appointments! Nope I will not "take it down a notch."Those who object can respond in kind, but ,NO, I will NOT be squelched.}(

[laughingliberal]

18. Is there some sort of award for the most locked threads?

Am I missing something?

[asdjrocky]

19. This is classic funny dude.

[Cary]

35. I'm not laughing.

We need to fix this or we're all screwed.

[asdjrocky]

38. You don't have to laugh.

Everyone else is.

[Cary]

42. And it's very important to you to tell me that.

Oy.

I've taken on whole boards of real live "conservatives" pukes and you'd be amazed at how many of them have said the exact same thing you just said, for exactly the same reason. I swear, verbatim.

Now why would that be?

[asdjrocky]

47. You tell me to leave the Democratic Party-

Then you yell at the top of your lungs for everyone to just get along.

Now you're boasting about how you've "taken on whole boards of real live "conservatives" pukes" (verbatim.)

I said what I said because it looks to me like you must be clowning around. You do understand the other thread I referenced here got locked because you are trying to tell people what to do and to single out a one group to exclude or attack, don't you? So I'm hoping you can see the pure hypocrisy, or at the very least the irony, of following up that thread with this one. It is not lost on anyone else, read the thread.

And to top it off you accuse me of being some kind of repug or something because I'm choosing to say that I'm laughing at you. We are laughing at you, I'm sorry. This is classic comedy. This is comedy gold.

Go smoke a joint, take a walk, do something nice for yourself.

[Cary]

49. I never told you to leave the Democratic Party.

You're reading this into my posts. Why? What exactly do you have to gain by misrepresenting my thoughts?

[asdjrocky]

50. Yes, you did.

In the post I referenced. In the post that everyone is talking about. Yes, dude, you did.

Please stop. If you really care then I'd hate to see you tossed out on your ear. There have been a lot of people asking you to take a break here, maybe you should think about it. You are not making sense.

[Cary]

52. No dude, I didn't.

But if there's one thing I've learned over the past 10 years or so of playing this same game with "conservatives" it's that there's no point in discussing it. If you can't accept what I'm telling you about my own words and my own intent then I have nothing more to say to you.

[asdjrocky]

57. Yeah, I bet.

And yes your did. Everyone here says it. They say it because it's true.

You sir, are a liar.

[niceypoo]

20. Your reacting to the reaction of your reaction

...and it is making you look shrill. Cool off for a couple of days.

[Cary]

37. Worry about yourself.

I'll take care of me. Okay?

[niceypoo]

54. If you dont want people commenting on what you say, stop saying it

Jeeze

[Marr]

22. When does this start to qualify as disrupting?

You repeatedly suggest the base needs to be separated, removed, marginalized, whatever-- then shrug innocently and ask, "what did I say?".

[laughingliberal]

25. +1 nt

[Cary]

48. Except that I repeatedly never said any such thing. n/t

[City of Mills]

23. ROFL!

I find this thread enjoyable :)

[Tailormyst]

36. This post is comedy gold !

[Cary]

46. I can think of worse things than a rip roaring argument.

Root canal, for example.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

24. 7/16 of one inch...

That's the distance you'd have to move your pinky not to sound like an idiot.

[ima_sinnic]

29. lol! (nt)

[StarfarerBill]

26. Gee, does this mean we "purists" can stay?

:eyes:

[Cary]

33. You've assumed I advocated kicking you out.

How do you know I didn't suggest you kicking the "non-purists" out?

You don't. You've only assumed the worist of me, which is what I'm trying to tell you. I'm not your enemy.

[StarfarerBill]

39. No, we're not enemies.

And I wasn't advocating that those who think like me go elsewhere, whether out of DU or the Democratic Party.

We progressives, I think, are asking for the Party to wield its majority power for the good of all, not to bend and surrender every time a Republican/teabagger blows their vile chunks for their corporate masters, much less become them. A country with a right wing and a paralyzed wing isn't a democracy, in name or in fact.

[ima_sinnic]

30. What is this "IT" you want to "DISCUSS"?

does it have to do with "purity versus compromise"?
because I noticed your last tome on the subject was not very open to "discussion." It kind of dictated how things should be.
What is there to "discuss," anyway?

[Cary]

32. There is everything to discuss, but only if you allow it.

You need to start by cutting me some slack and stop trying so hard to accuse me. Stick to the issues.

Yes, purity versus compromise is an issue. Don't you think? We have a large group of us who are accusing another perhaps larger group of something. Don't you think that issue can be discussed calmly and rationally?

Why don't we start with this? I don't want to see Republicans and "conservatives" gain anything. I don't want to see them anywhere near our government if we can help it.

We can't agree on that any more? Because you know what? That's my only real concern. That's it. Why can't you understand that? Or do you understand and do you really believe I'm the most miserable monster because of it?

[Hatchling]

51. ok

You go first.

[rucky]

53. K&R x1000

[spanone]

55. YOU DON'T TAKE IT DOWN A NOTCH BY YELLING

[QC]

56. GODDAMMIT YOU PEOPLE NEED TO STOP YELLING ALL THE FUCKING TIME!1!!!111!!