Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

manure wars in New Mexico

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:34 PM
Original message
manure wars in New Mexico

http://www.enn.com/top_stories/article/40816


Dairy Pollution Sparks 'Manure War' in New Mexico


The picture on many milk cartons shows cows grazing on a pasture next to a country barn and a silo — but the reality is very different.

More and more milk comes from confined animal feeding operations (CAFOs), where large herds live in feedlots, awaiting their thrice-daily trip to the milking barn. A factory farm with 2,000 cows produces as much sewage as a small city, yet there's no treatment plant.

Across the country, big dairies are coming under increased criticism for polluting the air and the water. In New Mexico, they're in the midst of a manure war.

Everyday, an average cow produces six to seven gallons of milk and 18 gallons of manure. New Mexico has 300,000 milk cows. That totals 5.4 million gallons of manure in the state every day. It's enough to fill up nine Olympic-size pools.

(good grief! that's a lot of manure)

The New Mexico Environment Department reports that two-thirds of the state's 150 dairies are contaminating groundwater with excess nitrogen from cattle excrement. Either the waste lagoons are leaking, or manure is being applied too heavily on farmland.
-snip-
---------------------------

again, another source of polluted drinking water
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:37 PM
Response to Original message
1. And where in New Mexico does one find enough water to give to
dairy cattle to produce5.4 million gallons of manure a day?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #1
14. Much of New Mexico is mountainous, and the mountains have streams and creeks...


Not to mention the Rio Grande, the Pecos, and the Gila river systems.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. I would suggest that the water to support these animals is being piped in from
reservoirs, that the local habitat could never support that density. Of course, not even here in Upstate New York with 40" of rain a year could you support that many animals in one place.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Oh certainly, I thought you were referring to the "desert"
nature of the state. I'm sure that water is piped to the various farms and feedlots. I thought you were concerned about the water needed to fill the reservoirs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. Well, I'd say it's a fair bet that some big corporation is sucking up water that used to go to
Edited on Fri Dec-11-09 06:18 PM by hedgehog
a lot of small farms.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:39 PM
Response to Original message
2. Cow manure isn't like human feces.
Especially if they are fed mostly grass and hay, instead of corn feed.

In moderate amounts, especially broken down by bacteria and insects, it is very beneficial to the environment (not so much the flatulence that cows produce).

Spoken as someone who used to shovel it, spread it over a few acre garden, and disc it into the earth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. the bad thing is the corn feed. cows were meant to eat grasses and chew


their cud as it makes its way through all the stomaches. what comes out the other end makes wonderful fertilizer.

(I forget, is it 3 stomaches they have? and do they chew the corn cud like they do grasses? corn must really upset their insides.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. Are you talking about corn silage?
'Cuz it's the whole plant, stalks 'n all - plenty of good chewing there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. oh, thanks, they always say corn not corn silage


in the days when cows went to pasture, did they eat corn silage too?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. At my uncle's farm, the cattle ate silage as part of their indoor winter diet.
The other main part of that diet was hay, which is dried pasture.

The cows were fed some corn, but not like today.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #8
17. As far as I know, yes
You need to supplement pasture forage with silage and grain to get good production.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #2
13. Sorry--cow manure harbors a number of diseases
Edited on Fri Dec-11-09 01:43 PM by doodadem
E. coli being the biggie that is communicable to humans. Johne's Disease is highly communicable and deadly to other cattle. I have personal experience with this.

I think a lot has to do with the moisture content in cow manure--very squishy. For sure it attracts many more flies. Horse manure is a lot safer. Its what I use on everything here, especially since I have horses and donkeys. It doesn't carry the diseases that cow manure does. And in our dry climate, it dehydrates almost immediately.

If you contact any boarding stable in your area, they're usually more than willing to let you just come haul it away. Just compost it for awhile--don't use on plants while its still "hot".

It sounds like NM is getting the same problems that Calif. has had with the big industrial dairies for awhile now. They're starting to make them clean up their act here, with the big nasty lagoons and so forth leaking into water supplies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Yes, I grew up on a horse ranch, and we had a few cattle.
Horse manure is much better, but cattle manure, when dried and "processed" by nature, it's fairly safe - cow chips.

People used to use "cow chips" as fuel for cooking food.

The real problem is crowded feed lot operations, where the chance for spreading disease is much greater, and the amount of concentrated cow manure is problematic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #2
18. The key words "in moderate amounts"
I live in a rural area and have a septic tank and leach field. This system uses a lot of ground to handle waste from one family. In cities and many suburbs, there are too many people per acre to allow septic systems to work. That's when a sewer system is needed. The same applies to farm animals, but our laws haven't caught up yet.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:50 PM
Response to Original message
4. Well damn, they can ship some of it my way!
There are plenty of dairy farmers around, but the dirty bastards are keeping the cow manure for themselves.

I've actually considered going out some dark night to do a bit of turd-burgling...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:56 PM
Response to Original message
5. kestrel's solution >>>>
Manure lagoons >>>> biogas/energy/money >>>> lagoon sludge >>>> biochar/money >>>> return nutrients to soil where cattle feed crops are grown, sequester much CO2/make more money.

But that would make too much sense.......
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. That is new experimental money
not the old regular money they are used to.
Biodigesters are a really great technology.
I learned about them in 1979 in the Peace Corps, on my way to Tuvalu!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. All out sewage in Los Angeles goes to the Hyperion Treatment Plant which
has LOTS of digesters (huge domed structures) for getting biogas from the biosolids in sewage. It produces a significant amount of the city's electricity.

And they are working on a new process that involves injecting the biosolids into old, spent oil and gas wells in the LA Harbor area that will allow extraction of methane while chemically sequestering the CO2 given off in the rock structure itself. Currently, when the spent biosolids leave the digesters, they are used as fertilizer on a couple of large CA farms (after extensive testing that PROVES that they are extremely low in and much better than the standards require WRT meavy metals and other toxins).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #11
20. Cool
some good news.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. It's not even news. It's "olds". The Hyperion biogas digesters were put into
service in the 1950's. Lost Angeles, for all its flaws, wins top awards for how it deals with waste and sets the standard for everybody else to follow.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. Some research money and manufacturing capital
Would be a very good investment, with multiple payoffs. Make sure the systems are adaptable for pigshit - a lot of folks in the Carolinas will breathe better.
It's a very simple principle - when the money works, recycling works!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:35 PM
Response to Original message
12. time to breed less, and eat less /nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:55 PM
Response to Original message
16. Chicken and hog waste has ruined our streams here in northeast oklahoma
streams that used to be crystal clear with the bottoms covered in the prettiest rocks and now the water is clouded and the rocks have algae growing on them to the point that if you do step into the streams you'll likely fall on your ass because of the slipperiness of the algae. We're having some trials concerning that right now with the poultry industry
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 06:33 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC