I can only come to one conclusion;

[babsbunny]

Our President is getting bad advise. The bailouts, the wars, not prosecuting torturers, etc. I don't feel proud that I voted for him anymore. I am afraid for my Son, my Brothers Son's, my Grandson because who will fight these never ending wars? Where are the Anti-War movements? Never thought I would need one with the Democrat I helped vote into office. There is so much wrong with our Country and he isn't on the right track to fix it.

I am hurting at the very core of my being. You know that place that hurts when you have lost someone you love?

I am hoping you guys on DU can talk me down, or at least say you understand. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[polichick]

1. Can't talk you down, but I definitely understand. I'm afraid for all our kids...

...and feel physically ill when I think of the corporate wars they are expected to fight, the corporate debts they are expected to pay, the diseased planet they are expected to deal with - all of it.

[27inCali]

2. we have to accept how fucked our country really is

before we can really know what we need to do to fix it.

We can vote for well intentioned leaders, but we have to understand how badly their hands are tied by the prevalent corruption in our government.

We will always have at least a little corruption because of human nature, but we need to get mad at ourselves for letting it get so bad over the course of our lifetime.

I think Obama is starting to pick up on how bad the advice has been, and I would hope he's looking for advice in some other places.

[MineralMan]

3. Back in 1965, I made the decision not to father any children.

I still feel the same way today. It was the right decision. Sorry.

[AspenRose]

8. I agree.

:eyes:

[MNDemNY]

10. That Mineral man should not have children?

:shrug:

[MineralMan]

18. I suspect that was the gist of the post. Never mind.

I'll keep trying to improve things for all children. I just decided that the world was getting too ugly to have any of my own.

[MineralMan]

12. You agree with what?

My decision was based on where I thought the planet was going. I find that to be a valid reason. Is that what you agree with?

[timeforpeace]

4. Somebody said that maybe he's become who he always was. Might as well place responsibility where it

belongs.

[anonymous171]

5. He attempted to emulate Lincoln and ended up becoming Buchanan

Walk on the fence long enough and you will eventually fall and smash your testicles.

[elehhhhna]

6. Can't help you. In fact, I said the same of GWB. With regard to either of them,

it's baloney.

[BeHereNow]

7. Hey, you are NOT alone. Many of us feel betrayed.

The important thing is what you do about it.

Some one I respect very much once said that
the hardest part of being an adult is
coming to grips with seeing the world as it IS,
not as you WISH it to be.

We have long been a nation of magical thinkers imo.

Reality is crashing down on all of us, no matter which "side"
of the political spectrum your thinking leans towards.

What I see are groups of people behaving like teen agers
at a sporting event and this troubles me greatly.

I fear that as long as this behavior is thought rational and a way
to solving our collective problems, there is not much "hope."

I think your best course of action is to face the truth and
figure out how you and your loved ones will survive the coming decades.

Hugs-
BHN

[MNDemNY]

9. Not to worry.

it's a game of chess, 16 dimensional chess. soon, very soon, it will all come together in a flash of "change" that will knock your socks off, and all Will be well. Just wait! you'll see!!!

[emulatorloo]

11. He campaigned on focusing on Afghanistan and drawing down in Iraq. I don't get all the surprise

around here.

I know that doesn't talk you down, but it is pretty much what he said he would do during the campaign.

As to the bailouts -- what else could he do? Let the economy collapse?

(agree that it has not been perfect, need more regulation. I see a new wall street regulation bill passed the house)

Prosecuting torture? I remember him campaigning on stopping torture. I don't remember him promising anything about prosecuting Bush admin.

(I do wonder where Holder's "limited" investigation will go. I have a feeling the name "cheney" is going to keep coming up as the one who said "GO FARTHER")

Again this probably does not talk you down.

[MNDemNY]

15. Did he run on defending war crimes?

Did he run on giveaways to big pharma? Did he run on extending the Patriot act?

[emulatorloo]

19. none of that was mentioned by the OP as concerns

"defending war crimes" that's pretty hyperbolic and over-reaching. But carry on.

[MNDemNY]

20. Since you are soooo seemingly well informed as to just what Obama ran on..

I thought I'd ask you. But I guess you'd rather not answer.Go back, check the memos, see how you are supposed to respond, then get back to me.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[emulatorloo]

22. Hey I listened during the campaign.

Apparently some didn't.

I knew what we were getting.

As to your "check the memos" comment, keep your smug superiority and insinuations to yourself. It really doesn't help your case.

[MNDemNY]

23. So, did he run on extending the Patriot act?

Did he run on defending torture? Or are those recent "come to jeezuz moments?"Smug? Yup I'm smug.Those pails getting heavy?:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[emulatorloo]

24. Again "defending torture" is again serious over-reaching. Preposterously so

As to "patriot act" I did not pay attention. Kind of like you did not pay attention to his position on Afghanistan.

"Carrying water?" I don't recall "defending" Obama's positions in my original post or any of the others, except saying "what could he do, let the economy fail" re the bailouts.

I was simply stating that these things are not "surprises"

It seem you suffer from reading comprehension issues as well as an severe case of self-righteousness.

You can have the last word, pull out all the stops!

I am sure you have many more Slogans and Smilies to share.

[MNDemNY]

27. Yup, those pails are getting very heavy, I see.

Your posts are infamous for their blind-backing of all that is Obama. Give yourself a break, put down the pails and think. And for the record, I did pay attention to his stance on Afghanistan, that is why I did NOT support him in the primary. But you , on the other hand have been supporting his every move, every zig, every zag from day one, so carry on!:patriot:

[elehhhhna]

25. Also on defending landmines and not negotiating w/ big Pharma?

I've been HAD.

[dionysus]

28. someone needs to wipe their chin...

[MNDemNY]

30. Yes, but you'll have to put down the buckets first!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Come over here and defend this!http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4180666

[northernlights]

41. did he run for Goddam Sucks?

Cause I somehow thought he was running to for main street. :shrug: and instead he dumped his campaign finance advisors and stocked his finance world with Goldman Suckers. :evilfrown:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. A large dose of cynicism about politicians and their promises helps.

“Now, the man on the stand he wants my vote,
He's a-runnin' for office on the ballot note.
He's out there preachin' in front of the steeple,
Tellin' me he loves all kinds-a people.
(He's eatin' bagels
He's eatin' pizza
He's eatin' chitlins
He's eatin' bullshit!)”

Bob Dylan

[salvorhardin]

14. I agree with Tom Tomorrow's take on Obama

There's a large disconnect between the Obama we all imagined he'd be, and the Obama he really is.

[MNDemNY]

16. That was no accident.

[Blue-Jay]

43. Yes, a politician successfully got elected

Big surprise

[mullard12ax7]

17. Understood and I don't have any perky and delusional hype to sell you either

Our country is corrupt, the result of 100 years of corporate and government propaganda that is so prevalent and successful now that most people don't even recognize it. Many private sectors are full of criminal liars who've done nothing but lie to get ahead for the last 30 years and they all have equally corrupt government counterparts representing their criminal interests.

Be happy with things in your personal life that you have worked towards and be happy with some of the actual achievements of the democratic party such as Social Security, Medicare and other social networks that actually do look out for the average citizen. Be happy with the fact that you can see what's really going on too.

[williesgirl]

21. Disagree - it's his fault. We finally have a President with a brain. We have to assume

he's using it and this is what he really wants. I feel fucked royal. I want a third party quick, a strong progessive one. Fuck all these corporatists. I hope they choke on their bribes.

[Bluebear]

26. I can't agree with the bad advice. Obama is not stupid.

This is who he is.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

29. He knows exactly what he's doing.

:grr:

[BeHereNow]

33. From the archives- The people behind the Obama curtain.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2636329

Long thread, but worth the read in light of the last year.

I am ashamed now to admit that I was caught up in the fever
during the election victory.

I did not want to believe all that Nairn exposed, but clearly
it has been revealed.

BHN

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

39. I had tremendous doubts although when I pulled the lever for him I Hoped that I

was wrong... no, I was not a "purist" when I voted for him.... The moment he named Rahm as COS, I knew we were truly fucked.

I knew about his connections and how he rose so quickly was a big red flag to me. I remember even expressing concern to a friend of mine when he was running for Senate. When Ryan stepped down (and didn't his scandal come at an opportune time?), the GOP had Alan Keyes run against him. His victory was at hand.

I just looked up a couple of threads that I posted on in 2005.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4666711

This was the biggest red flag to me (then of course telecom immunity later on)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5101831

[BeHereNow]

42. That second link from the archives says a lot... n/t

bhn

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

44. As you can see, I was watching the hearing live.

Barbara Boxer all but said that Rice was a war criminal. She had charts and facts. Most of that info was known by many DUer for quite some time. It was stunning. With Boxer's presentation, any Dem who voted to confirm Rice as SOS was IMHO complicit.

[treestar]

31. You seem to be very very poorly informed

On all of the issues you mention.

What's with the emotionalism?

Read. Simply read.

[babsbunny]

32. Now you see why DU let's you "unrecommend"

It's kinda fun, ain't it?

[blindpig]

34. But who picked his advisors?

n/t

[BeHereNow]

35. I just dug this out of the archives.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2636329

Answers a good deal.

BHN

[blindpig]

36. Yep

And there was this guy, who was recently given a pizza, who screamed it from the rooftops from early in the primaries, a fight in which he had no dog...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=211056

That dude looks like a genius today.

[BeHereNow]

37. Oh HELL! I did not know about that!

A great loss for our community, no doubt.
BHN

[Thickasabrick]

38. Hang in there - I'm still holding out hope. Even Bush canned a lot

of people when there was a lot of uproar.

I'm really hoping he gives Elizabeth Warren some power to clean this crap up. I think Gates has worn out his welcome so maybe he would replace him with....dunno.

[Octafish]

46. Wes Clark.

The guy would clean house and show who's who.

Oh. Yeah, and he's a Democrat. A democrat, too.

[seeinfweggos]

40. President Obama is doing a great job.

get a fucking grip.

[Octafish]

45. Ask Don Siegelman, he'll tell you.

Ask Ted Stevens, he'll say the other side.

Ever hear of them, seeinfweggos?

[butterfly77]

47. The only conclusions I am coming up with is..

that many roadblocks were put in place before the President took office,a lot of things were being made TOP SECRET by Bush/Cheney and a lot of shredding and back door contracts were being made. There are many things that the President can't tell us.

Many of these pundits who come on television have money invested in every issue they are talking about including reporters,notice how they attack,attack,attack the Dems and let the Repugs skate away without explaining anything or no follow ups but,they keep harping on the DEms telling them but,you are in power,knowing how the game is being played.

I notice King on CNN today he had the senator from virginia Warner and John Thune. As soon as Warner began to explain what is going on with healthcare John king got so excited because Warner was explaining it where most people could understand it and John King couldn't have that, he is protecting his interests you know.

Ed Henry was so excited as though he was getting ready to have some sex as he spewed his lies about the President. Now,Bill Bennett's big evil ass,can't even stand it when a Dem even talks this fat bastard starts to wiggle and almost busts out of his suit as soon as Donna Brazile gets her chance to speak.

I could see that King was trying to protect Thune and interrupted Warner at every turn he kept trying to help him and Warner wouldn't let him stop him from making his point,something which most Dems do,King looked at Thune as though he was saying "I tried to help you man"..