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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 05:34 PM
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It's not gonna work
The guilt trips about helping the GOP are not going to be effective come election time, if little changes. This is not just some "whiny leftbagger bullshit". It's imperative we change direction and undo the damage caused by the most corrupt republican administration in history. You can't get there by doing all the same stuff. If we don't, who gives a shit who's in power? Please wake up Mr. O!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 05:39 PM
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1. Well done.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 05:41 PM
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2. +1000
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 05:52 PM
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6. Hi Rum! President 'Oh- Bomb 'em' is on a roll. 'Peace through Blood!!
Now there's a campaign slogan.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 05:41 PM
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3. thank you and k&r! n/t
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 05:45 PM
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4. K&R.....golf clap.....nt
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 05:46 PM
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5. Let's face it: exhorting a disillusioned base to "stick with the team" has NEVER worked
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6935039

1980...1984...1988...1994...2000...2004. We never seem to learn.

Every time a weak, center-right Democrat loses an election we hear the same things over and over: "lesser of two evils", "purity police", "you're probably happy we lost", etc, etc, etc. And every time, we go right back to the same losing strategy.

Take 2000 for example. Sure, you can blame the Florida felon's list or the butterfly ballot. You can even continue to blame Ralph Nader and the few people who voted their conscience. But none of those things cost us as many votes as an anemic, middle-of-the-road candidate and his sanctimonious tool of a running mate. Gore's come a long way in 9 years, but in 2000 he wasn't exactly a progressive crusader. Failure to learn this lesson led directly to the Kerry candidacy of 2004 and another close, steal-able election against the worst president in history.

I thought after 2006 and 2008 we had finally figured it out: you run attractive candidates that excite the base and you win elections. You don't even have to excite them that much -- Democrats and Democratic values have always held the true majority in this country -- you just need to give them a reason to come out and vote.

But here we are again. We've lost two races with unpopular candidates: one, a corporate pirate and another who tried to out-teabag his opponent. And here come the posts begging us to "not lose heart" or to "hold our nose and vote" -- just as if the last 30 years of national politics never happened.

It's not going to work. It's never worked. If we keep nominating weak candidates, if our national leaders keep running to the right under some vague smokescreen of "bipartisanship", then Democrats will lose. And if, somehow, Republicans manage to field even crappier candidates than we do (see 1992), *we* -- as in "We The People" -- still lose.

I'm not sure what the right solution is, but I do know that this continual reliance on weak, incremental change and candidates just a little less appalling than their opponents is a proven failure. Even if we manage to eek out a few victories, we've already seen how one committed, radical Republican can undo decades of Democratic incrementalism.

It's time we stopped settling for less.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 06:06 PM
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7. What will work then?
I give a shit who is in power. I don't give a rat's ass about Mr. Yoo or Woo, but I do care about the difference between another $30 billion for SCHIP http://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/congress-moves-ahead-schip-funding compared to some bullsh*t that Republicans would spew in favor of more and permanent tax cuts for the rich http://www.slate.com/id/2108201

If you have already forgotten the last 8 years of Bush-Republican rule enough to say 'who cares who is in power' then I don't know what to tell you. It's like having to convince you that the earth is round to try and convince you that it is important that McConnell does not become majority leader in the Senate and Boehner become Speaker of the House and Palin or Romney or Thune become President. Are you 20 years old or something and cannot remember 2002 or 2003? :wtf: :wtf:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 11:47 AM
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9. It's true ...we can't allow another moran be in the White House.
I'd vote Dem just to make sure a repuke doesn't get in office but I won't necessarily vote for the incumbent Dem.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 11:32 AM
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8. "not going to be effection come election time"? They're not effective NOW either!
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