Fundies Say The Darndest Things...

[cynatnite]

Would a second Holocaust validate Christianity?I'm inclined to believe that it might happen. I mean hey, I'm seeing some marginalization here and there. There's been a rise of really vocal Atheists.

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Very offended by the recent advertisement. How dare they suggest we celebrate what we want? This is a Christian nation.

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It should be merry CHRISTMAS or nothing else.. if other holidays are that important get a date for them and celebrate them on their special date. I dont like to see Christmas watered down with throwing in every other celebration in the world, how would people like it if we started taking over their celebrations and calling them something else! Ha then we would really hear screams and protests!

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But that's not a problem today. Today, we have enough scientific knowledge to prove just about every verse in the Bible that has to do with scientific phenomena. By my reckoning, the only one that's a little iffy is Job 37:18, but even that one has some good, solid indirect evidence.

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[rurallib]

1. job 37:18 - does that have to do with wiring the whales belly for electricity

to run the Wii?

[lunatica]

2. Everyone knows Jesus was born on December 25, 0000.

That's when we started counting years.

[Sal Minella]

4. Thus "watering down" celebrating Saturnalia.

I wonder if the Saturnalians objected then.

[RedCloud]

12. How about Hercules and the usurpation of his four titles?

Price of Peace
Good Shepherd
Son of Man

oh and of course for rising to Mount Olympus
The Saviour.

[RedCloud]

11. In the year zero and celebration was stolen from Saturnalia!

[Ghost in the Machine]

3. Oh, the IRONY!

The fundie who said this:

"It should be merry CHRISTMAS or nothing else.. if other holidays are that important get a date for them and celebrate them on their special date. I dont like to see Christmas watered down with throwing in every other celebration in the world, how would people like it if we started taking over their celebrations and calling them something else! Ha then we would really hear screams and protests!"

REALLY needs to read this:

THE TWENTY-FIFTH OF DECEMBER THE BIRTHDAY OF THE GODS.

DIVESTED of all explanation, the announcement of the fact that the time of the birth of many of the incarnated Gods and Saviors of antiquity was fixed at the same period, and this period the twenty-fifth of December, celebrated all over Christendom as the birthday of Jesus Christ, would sound marvelously strange, especially when it is noticed that this period formerly dated the birth of a new year—the birth of King Sol. And when we find that the ancient pagans were in the habit of celebrating this venerated twenty-fifth of December as the birthday of their Gods in the same manner Christians now celebrate it as the birthday of Christ, we are driven to admit that something more than mere fortuitous accident must be adduced to account for the coincidence.

According to Dr. Lightfoot, the temple of Jerusalem was employed in celebrating the birthday of a pagan God (Adonis) on the very night Christians assign for the birth of Christ. And Robert Taylor informs us that nearly all the nations of the East were once in the habit of rising at midnight to celebrate the birthday of their Gods, on the twenty-fifth of December. And to this statement Mr. Higgins adds that, "At the first moment after midnight of the twenty-fourth of December, the ancient nations celebrated the accouchement of the queen of heaven and celestial virgin, and the birth of the God Sol, the Infant Savior, and the God of Day.

Bacchus of Egypt, Bacchus of Greece, Adonis of Greece, Chrishna of India, Chang-ti of China, Chris of Chaldea, Mithra of Persia, Sakia of India, Jao Wapaul (a crucified Savior of ancient Britain), were all born on the twenty-fifth of December, according to their respective histories. Chrishna is represented to have been born at midnight on the twenty-fifth of the month Savarana, which answers to our December, and millions of his disciples celebrated his birthday by decorating their houses with garlands and gilt paper, and the bestowment of presents to friends. The Rev. Mr. Barret tells us, "It was once common for the women in Rome to perambulate the streets on the twenty-fifth of December, singing in a loud voice, "Unto us a child is born this day."

The twenty-fifth of December, then, it will be observed, was marked as the birthday of the incarnated Gods, Saviors, and Sons of God, of many of the religious systems of antiquity, long prior to the birth of Christ.

And why his birth was fixed at that date is not hard to account for. According to the celebrated Christian writer Mr. Goodrich, the Christian world had no chronology and recorded no dates for several centuries after the commencement of the Christian era. (See History of all Nations, p. 23.) No event of their history was marked by dates for nearly four hundred years. Hence, the time of Christ's birth is altogether a matter of conjecture, as is also every other event noticed in the Christian bible. This is proved by the fact that the ablest Christian writers and chronologists differ to the extent of thirty-five hundred years in fixing the time of every event in the bible. A Mr. Kennedy presents us with three hundred different chronological systems, by different Christian writers, all founded on the bible, and proving that the date of its various events are inextricably involved in a labyrinth of doubt, darkness and uncertainty.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cv/wscs/wscs13.htm

:hi:

Peace,

Ghost

[hootinholler]

9. They forgot Newton too.

He's sort of a god.

:rofl:

-Hoot

[roger_pearse]

20. Irony-meter breaking

Amazing that there are still atheists dumb enough to post this:

THE TWENTY-FIFTH OF DECEMBER THE BIRTHDAY OF THE GODS.


DIVESTED of all explanation, the announcement of the fact that the time of the birth of many of the incarnated Gods and Saviors of antiquity was fixed at the same period, and this period the twenty-fifth of December, celebrated all over Christendom as the birthday of Jesus Christ, would sound marvelously strange, especially when it is noticed that this period formerly dated the birth of a new year—the birth of King Sol. And when we find that the ancient pagans were in the habit of celebrating this venerated twenty-fifth of December as the birthday of their Gods in the same manner Christians now celebrate it as the birthday of Christ, we are driven to admit that something more than mere fortuitous accident must be adduced to account for the coincidence.

According to Dr. Lightfoot, the temple of Jerusalem was employed in celebrating the birthday of a pagan God (Adonis) on the very night Christians assign for the birth of Christ. And Robert Taylor informs us that nearly all the nations of the East were once in the habit of rising at midnight to celebrate the birthday of their Gods, on the twenty-fifth of December. And to this statement Mr. Higgins adds that, "At the first moment after midnight of the twenty-fourth of December, the ancient nations celebrated the accouchement of the queen of heaven and celestial virgin, and the birth of the God Sol, the Infant Savior, and the God of Day.

Bacchus of Egypt, Bacchus of Greece, Adonis of Greece, Chrishna of India, Chang-ti of China, Chris of Chaldea, Mithra of Persia, Sakia of India, Jao Wapaul (a crucified Savior of ancient Britain), were all born on the twenty-fifth of December, according to their respective histories. Chrishna is represented to have been born at midnight on the twenty-fifth of the month Savarana, which answers to our December, and millions of his disciples celebrated his birthday by decorating their houses with garlands and gilt paper, and the bestowment of presents to friends. The Rev. Mr. Barret tells us, "It was once common for the women in Rome to perambulate the streets on the twenty-fifth of December, singing in a loud voice, "Unto us a child is born this day." (etc)

without checking any of it. I thought most people knew this sort of stuff was crap. You don't have to be super-bright to think "Chris of Chaldeaa" might just, just, be bunk. Sort of like "Biff from Palmyra", right?

Atheism seems to be the only religious position where people believe stuff purely because it is convenient, and turn their brains off as soon as they have verified that. How else does this rubbish circulate? Christianity may not be true; but presumably all the atheists think it is, think it is inconvenient, and don't have the integrity to say so.

Incidentally I'm sure there are a few people wondering whether this IS crap, but who weren't silly enough to say so. "Robert Taylor" was an 18th century renegade clergyman who did time in jail for financial fraud and seducing women with promises of marriage. The other people are even more obscure. Lightfoot was a great scholar; but he certainly never endorsed rubbish like thus.

Always ask to see the ancient texts that back up these claims. Smile when they are never forthcoming.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

[Ghost in the Machine]

21. Do you have anything intelligent to add?

Something besides the same tripe that you've been spamming all over the internet, yet never provide anything to back up your claims?


"You don't have to be super-bright to think "Chris of Chaldeaa" might just, just, be bunk. Sort of like "Biff from Palmyra", right?"

You mean like Jesus of Nazareth?


I respect your right to believe anything you want.... but that doesn't mean that I won't point and laugh at, or otherwise make fun of, you.

Welcome to DU


Peace,

Ghost

[Feron]

5. You can't post that without posting this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO9IPoAdct8

The FSTDT video.

[JNelson6563]

18. That was hilarious!

Thanks for posting that link. :toast:

[LeftyMom]

6. My favorite is still the one where a fundie almost discovered the sun.

"One of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn't possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it."

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=1073734&postcount=232

[Mariana]

13. OMG that's hilarious.

That's obviously someone having a go at the fundies. He's not a very convincing fake fundie either - he spelled all the words in that post correctly.

[eppur_se_muova]

14. Yes, that one always amazes me. Second Law/evolution in no way contradict each other .

To think that scientists have failed to notice that one of the most fundamental laws in science, taught in every scientific discipline, should be directly contrary to easily observable facts in the world around them, and that NONE OF THEM HAS NOTICED what the astute armchair quarterback has, is just absolutely astonishing in its hubris -- even arrogance.

Of course, the problem is that they have the Second Law WRONG. Try this version:

In a closed system -- a closed system being defined as one surrounded by a boundary across which neither matter or energy passes -- entropy cannot decrease.

If the system is NOT closed (as in the example of the Earth) the Second Law places no direct restrictions on entropy, and it is precisely this conditional aspect of the law that the armchair IDers/creationists overlook completely. The Second Law does not apply to the Earth by itself, because the Earth is not a closed system. The Earth, the Sun, and all the radiation emitted by the Sun, taken together, can be taken as a good approximation to a closed system, and it is the radiation from the Sun, of course, which drives virtually all the processes of life on Earth -- not just evolution.

In seeking to define life, so that it might be better recognized in alien (extraterrestrial) environments, it becomes clear that one of the essential characteristics of living systems is that they preserve, and even create, order ("negentropy") locally/internally at the expense of creating disorder (entropy) environmentally/externally, with the sum always leading to net gain in entropy overall. This is Science 101 these days. You don't have to go to college to learn this, even popular science books cover it.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

16. Poe's Law. -nt

[malaise]

19. Best laugh for the week

:rofl:

[musette_sf]

7. "good, solid indirect evidence"

:rofl:

Unclear on the concept.

[NMMNG]

8. The stupid. It burns.

[kestrel91316]

10. Why would someone get pissed off by being greeted with Happy Holidays instead of

Merry Christmas on a day OTHER than Dec 25? They are ranting about it already. Christmas isn't the entire month of December - it's ONE DAY.

[onethatcares]

15. the date can never be changed.

all the sales ads depend on it.

[JNelson6563]

17. lol