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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 05:07 PM
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Wars or Jobs: Decide Now
Speech at White House, December 12, 2009

Can you imagine the outcries of national shame from liberal commentators if George W. Bush had accepted a peace prize by advocating for war and announcing his right to launch wars of aggression? What an embarrassment that would have been!

But Bush would have made such a speech with fewer troops in the field, fewer mercenaries in the field, a smaller war budget, a smaller military budget, bases in fewer nations, the imperial powers of the presidency less firmly established, and -- of course -- worse pronunciation.

And isn't that what matters? The current president is smart and belongs to a different party, so when he continues and escalates wars we despised, wars we made great sacrifices to try to end, well either the wars must be better than we thought, or escalating them must be the really super smart way of ending them. After all, the other war mongering party calls the president a foreign-born socialist traitor. Except that they loved his speech in Oslo.

One reason Obama believes he can claim the power to launch wars is that Bush's lawyers produced on October 23, 2002, a memo proclaiming that presidents have that power. And do you know what their central argument was? Bill Clinton did it. Bill Clinton launched minor attacks on Iraq and other parts of the world, not to mention the former Yugoslavia, and so therefore Bush had the right to do the same sort of things on a larger scale.

In right-wing rhetoric, Clinton was another socialistic traitor. In legalistic arguments, he was the justification for Bush's crimes. It's the same deal with Obama. In the surface-level charade of partisan bickering, he's a socialist - a term applied without any particular meaning. But underneath, his efforts to protect the criminals who preceded him and to continue their crimes are honored and appreciated.

Is Obama a war president? Is the pope Catholic? Because we have allowed presidents the power of war, the term "war president" will be redundant from here on out. Presidents gain power through wars. Presidents love wars. I don't mean that President Obama has no choice. He could defy expectations, refuse to be corrupted, and do what he is legally and morally required to do. If you imagine such things are not possible, I would ask you to look at the career and comportment of Congressman Dennis Kucinich.

But we have gone two and a quarter centuries without presidents readily answering the demands of the public. And this republic has lasted that long in large part because the public has compelled the Congress to restrain presidents. I hate to say this, but I'm not against escalating a war. I'm against continuing these wars at all. And I don't want a president to end an escalation or a war. I want the House of Representatives to deny this president the money!

But our representatives are largely bought and paid for, they're terrified of the corporate media, they're servants of party bosses. Their corruption is the primary reason millions of people fantasize about lobbying the president. Sometimes we like to think as well that pressuring Congress to do its job, even through the most aggressive nonviolent resistance, somehow constitutes a naïve faith in the system, whereas pleading with the emperor amounts to true populism.

The people who wrote the U.S. Constitution got a lot of things wrong, but they were ahead of us on this one. They knew that we could not have peace if a single individual had the power of war. We must put the power of peace back in the Congress and force the House to use it. They have a final vote next week on a war funding bill, and do you know how they intend to pass it?

They're going to include unemployment insurance in the same bill. When it's not relief for hurricane victims it's education for veterans. Now it's unemployment insurance as the lipstick on this pig of a bill, a bill that creates unemployment in the first place. Investing money in wars creates fewer jobs than cutting taxes, and cutting taxes creates fewer jobs than investing in education, mass transit, infrastructure, construction, and other nonviolent industries. Every dollar for war is a dollar less for jobs.

Congress members are perfectly aware they can vote No on the whole package until the war money is taken out and the unemployment insurance is left in. And you know that you can force them to do it, now or in the coming weeks and months. You know that much more difficult things have been done. You know that it is far more enjoyable to engage in this struggle -- even in the cold -- than to sit home and complain. You know that the time is rapidly approaching when we must do what any civilized nation would have long since done and nonviolently shut down this town.

David Swanson is the author of the new book "Daybreak: Undoing the Imperial Presidency and Forming a More Perfect Union" by Seven Stories Press. You can order it and find out when tour will be in your town: http://davidswanson.org/book.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 05:20 PM
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1. Enthusiastic K&R
"You know that it is far more enjoyable to engage in this struggle -- even in the cold -- than to sit home and complain."

It's not complaining if you tell someone who can do something about it. Each and everyone of us can do something about it. So I don't consider what some call complaining, to be that. Of course, anyone who doesn't intend to take responsibility could rightly call it complaining to them. I appreciate what you mean with your choice of words though.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 05:22 PM
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2. k&r
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 05:29 PM
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3. America's new motto: Wars without end..Amen nt
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 05:29 PM
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4. With unemployment as high as it has
ever been, don't they realize that this country is weaker now then it was eight years ago? So many people are just hanging on by a hair, fearing one more blow will push them into homelessness and destitution. We need a more stable economy for the masses, more security at home ... and spending more of our dwindling tax money (how can you collect revenue on nothing?) on a pointless war is insanity. K&R
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cowcommander Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 05:37 PM
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5. Not that I disagree completely, but what about the soldiers?
The U.S currently has 1.4 million active duty personnel. If the wars end, what will these people do? What kind of jobs are available for so many people in an already shrinking job market?
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 05:52 PM
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6. Why can't they be deployed to do humaritarian
work? If they are going to be paid, why not have them work with the Peace Corps or another organization that helps those in need overseas? It would bolster our image abroad if they can do that successfully, and all the "contract" killers need to go, asap.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 05:58 PM
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7. Or they could help those in need at home.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 07:13 PM
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14. True - but there are times I feel that we are
borderline to Martial Law. Having them here at home may reinforce that sentiment.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 07:43 PM
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Of course they can, they can be deployed to not only make peace but to also
help other needy countries.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 06:12 PM
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9. I was talking to a person I just met the other day
who works at the Navy's local Shipyard. He said, "At least I know I'll have a job as long as we have the threat of nuclear annihilation."

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

War as jobs program is one of the worst possible arguments to defend.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 06:53 PM
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11. That quote--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

never loses its poignancy. It is the perfect one for where we are right now.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 06:24 PM
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10. Don't forget the mercenaries. Telethon anyone? What's Cheney doing?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 07:43 PM
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17. So... leave them to die, kill, or be wounded in a pointless war? Listen to what you're suggesting:
We shouldn't bring home the 200,000 deployed troops because they'll be a burden on our economy? You know what they'll do? THEY'LL USE THEIR GI BILL and go back to school. You don't leave soldiers to die on a battlefield because they will inconvenience the work force. Soldiers are a burden? Tax the war profiteers.

And by the way, 1.4 active duty personnel is everyone in the entire military, not just the number of deployed troops.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 08:33 PM
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23. Soldiers are paid in peacetime too, and they don't need expensive equipment each day back home
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 09:53 PM
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29. Exactly
n/t
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 10:43 PM
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32. There's always the USA Patriot Act to enforce...
Getting out of Afghanistan won't leave soldiers unemployed. It isn't like closing a factory. And even so, we could use the money we're spending killing people in Afghanistan to employ people at home, including soldiers.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:38 PM
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37. i've never heard of the military laying off soldiers -- there's plenty of security missions
without warfare (shooting). as a matter of fact, that was the rationale for building up forces all during the cold war.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 06:04 PM
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8. Baddaboom, baddabing
K&R
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 06:55 PM
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12. k & r
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 06:57 PM
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13. K & R. And David, if we really are in the midst of vast Global climate Change,
Such that the middle incomed is about to watch as Corporations vie to write up Cap and Trade bills that might allow them to forget about putting scrubbers on their chimneys while we pay more for every ounce of oil and gas, then should our nation not quit with the environmentally harmful endless wars?

It is only common sense that the first thing that needs to stop is war.

If we don't stop fighting wars, we might as well accept that no Kyoto or Copenhagen agreements will save this planet!

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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 07:42 PM
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15. Great post David... n/t
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 07:43 PM
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16. War = jobs n/t
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showpan Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 07:58 PM
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19. And just as the fabricated cold war ended
so did millions of jobs and our economy almost failed then. How can anyone justify spending so much money on our military unless they plan on endless wars.
Build toasters...not bombs...we've been here before. Just as trickle down economics failed, so do huge military budgets that can't be sustained. It's going to come down on us hard this time, because the last time, we weren't already in a crises like we are now.
Afghanistan, conquerers of empires.
Wall Street, conquerers of America
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 07:55 PM
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18. K&R
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 08:04 PM
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20. K&R. Thanks, David.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 08:08 PM
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21. It's not our decision to make. They've made that clear.
And that includes "our" "progressive" apparatus.
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gimama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 08:30 PM
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22. Can't wait to see video/photos of today's DC rally!
As alWays, thank YOU, David, for Your Wisdom, Words, & PEACE-Work!
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 09:47 PM
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28. videos at top of
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gimama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 11:10 PM
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34. & my fb page! ;) Goood JOB, David!
I HOPE(!)YOU have a LOVE-ly, rest-full, PEACE-FULL night,have a cup o'hot chocolate(?!);),put Your feet up, & enJOY the realization that YOU are changing things for the better. Thank YOU.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 08:34 PM
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24. K&R
:kick:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 08:36 PM
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25. That's a false choice
In fact it could take time to retrain the economy to be at peace. Look at how much Bushco increased the spending on the military sector. Many people work in it. If anything, that is why they supported Bush. It's not just the actual soldiers. Everybody who works making everything the military uses. That's why it's a gradual change.

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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 09:17 PM
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26. That argument comes dangerously close to doublespeak if it isn't outright
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 09:22 PM
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27. You've assigned a label but have not justified it
But I recall military people not wanting the bases shut down, and people who lived in the towns where the bases were who thought of it as their livelihoods.

Anyone will support anything where they think that. At any rate, war of course does provide some jobs. So it is not the either or choice that the OP makes out. Especially in this warmongering nation.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 10:28 PM
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31. "Every dollar for war is a dollar less for jobs"
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

How could Eisenhower fail to see what you see? The people who make those weapons and war have jobs that earn an income paying for food and clothing.

Wars/occupations do not create lasting value. If you want to argue they do, then feel free. Ignore that some things are innately of higher value to society and the economy. We could be spending for humanitarian purposes. We could prepare the US by making investments that would prepare us for the next 100 years and for which future generations could be grateful. There is a lot of work that needs to be done at home. We can beat those swords into plowshares. We are capable and have the imagination.

Doublespeak is spin, and if you haven't spun that war is good for the economy or that peace should only be eased into because of our war footing, then I clearly misunderstood you but I am pretty sure I did not. Your argument excuses and seems to suggest that more death and destruction can be seen as a positive. I call that doublespeak.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 10:59 PM
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33. I'm not for war but there is no point in denying there are some jobs
there - in fact World War II got women into the workforce. This country needs to adjust that. We make and sell war materials, that's why we like wars and get involved in other countries' conflicts. I admire Eisenhower for trying but the guy who makes rocket launchers and warships is going to scream just as much as anyone else whose jobs gets eliminated. That's what we're going to have to change.

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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:49 AM
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35. Who is denying there are some?
And my understanding is that we retooled for war when those women came into the workforce and it is time to retool for peace. The manufacturers can still make out like bandits, don't you worry.

Unlike the workers, the manufacturers don't have to scream. They just invest in politicians and the two parties.

Everything comes back to how we fund elections.

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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 10:07 PM
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30. We've shed jobs in record numbers while at war...
Edited on Sat Dec-12-09 10:07 PM by Union Yes
Proving that war is a jobs killer.

edit: recd
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 02:08 PM
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36. Without security there are no jobs.
War is peace. There's a big difference between Bush's war and Obama's war. Bush started the wars, Obama is ending the wars. Big difference. The surge is a buffer zone to hand over control to the Afghan forces. The surge will push back forces long enough for the transition to take place. Bush did the same thing in Iraq for the Presidential transition.
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