Tea Party Goader Gets Heckled -- Just Like His Group Urged Followers To Do To Congressmen!

[proud2BlibKansan]

Conservative interest group (and Tea Party advocates) Americans For Prosperity got a taste of its own medicine at the U.N.'s climate change conference in Copenhagen, when a group of pro-clean energy hecklers interrupted AFP President Tim Phillips's speech with chants of "clean energy makes jobs."

Phillips was in Copenhagen to protest the push for climate change legislation, which he calls an issue that "perhaps more than anything else, ends and begins on freedom."

Are we gonna have the freedom as citizens of the United States and around this world, to live our lives as we see fit, not as some government bureaucrats see fit?

Midway through his speech though, a group of pro-reform hecklers stood up and started chanting "clean energy makes jobs," and "Americans for prosperity are Americans for clean energy," before taking over the stage.

Phillips was forced to move his speech off-stage, where he railed against the protesters: "This is exactly what you would expect from the other side. It's the kind of attacks and personal things that you see from the environmental radicals."

He continued: "But I'll tell you this, it's why we're winning this battle. We're winning this battle because we stand up on the issues and these guys scream and roar."

"The other side can't win this debate. So what do they do? They try to attack and scream," Phillips said.

more . . . http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/tea-party-goader-gets-heckled----just-like-his-group-urged-followers-to-do-to-congressmen.php

[Cirque du So-What]

1. If only

this teabag fuck would get heckled back home as vociferously as they're tearing into his climate-change denial horseshit in Copenhagen. The battle lines are fairly well defined, so it's just a matter of who has the loudest voice & the biggest bullhorn anymore.

[EFerrari]

2. Kick

[Lorien]

3. He defines freedom as remaining enslaved to expensive, polluting fossil fuels

which cause illness and disease, keep us at war and will eventually run out? That's rich. Just goes to show that the Right can spin anything to those fools.

[patrice]

4. That's because these people wouldn't know real Freedom if it kicked them in the butt.

They think Freedom is being contrary, so they couldn't agree to something that might be good for them even if they wanted to.

Real Freedom is the freedom to chose to co-operate. Freedom from the impulse to say "no".

[surrealAmerican]

21. For him apparently, "freedom" means ...

... the freedom to poison other people. Reasonable people would call that "crime".

[punkin87]

5. Poetic justice!

[Froward69]

6. Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDNGD5SwyZ4&feature=player_embedded

[Union Yes]

7. Couldn't happen to a finer bunch. knr nt

[old mark]

8. Whatt "debate"? This is not an issue where one's point of view

makes a difference-this is reality versus delusion, exactly like the "debate" over evolution. Only a willfuly delusional idiot does not acknowledge the truth.

mark

[Unrepentant Fenian]

9. Perfect!

[malaise]

10. Big mistake to carry that BS

To Europe

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. Ya think?

LOL

[Union Yes]

13. sorry for the Kansas reference but I couldn't resist..

:hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

16. Oh no problem

That's a common expression, not an insult.

[Union Yes]

12. Oh Cmon Let's let em get roasted and realize they ain't in Kansas no more! =)

Let them experience the full wrath of how teabaggers are viewed by Euro peeps. :rofl:

Euro radical lefty's roasting teabaggers warms my heart.:evilgrin:

[niyad]

14. he doesn't even seem to realize the irony of his statement:

Phillips was forced to move his speech off-stage, where he railed against the protesters: "This is exactly what you would expect from the other side. It's the kind of attacks and personal things that you see from the environmental radicals."

He continued: "But I'll tell you this, it's why we're winning this battle. We're winning this battle because we stand up on the issues and these guys scream and roar."

"The other side can't win this debate. So what do they do? They try to attack and scream," Phillips said.


I guess it is okay when afp does it, but nobody else, apparently.

[KharmaTrain]

15. The Real Tea Bagger Bugaboo...

We've seen how these losers are manipulated by lobbyists and big money. If you thought the "outrage" that was paid for by the insurance companies was bad, just wait til Cap and Trade gets to the Senate. This is all part of the "astroturfing" that's been going on all along...a regular cadre of mindless zombies to make headlines and put a faux populist tinge while doing the dirty work for the large corporates. We're already seeing some of this astroturfing in the supposed global warming email "scam" (which is a double scam) and the latest trashing of President Al Gore. It's all part of an orchestrated campaign to prevent or obstruct Cap and Trade or any meaningful environmental legislation.

[eilen]

17. When it comes to green energy production I need more details

The fact is that nuclear plants and power plants do provide jobs in our country. If I can use the example of solar power: Currently there is only one manufacturing plant in the US that makes solar panels. The rest are in China. Solar panels have a lifespan (currently) of 25 years and then they are in the landfill. They are not made in a green manner thus contributing to global warming in their production (as if China will ever sign and follow an environmental pact) as well in their destruction. Those installing these panel will be the same already building homes-- underpaid undocumented labor. Currently it is a few companies in California that dominate the industry and it can't be too long before they are bought out by Exxon, Massey, or BP. The maintenance required for these panels are still high and until they develop little transparent nanobugs to consume the dust on the panels the energy and dollar return on them will take time to make them an efficient, consistent energy source. I don't know that jobs washing solar panels will support a family of four.

When it comes to carbon quotas or caps, my state (NY) will just purchase hydroelectric from Canada rather than produce it's own. I don't believe the US government has a plan for a national energy industry. Instead it will be farmed out (as oil is) to a few oil and coal mining corporations that control the prices for the rest of us and there won't even be an industrial base to employ our own workers-- losing another sector of technological blue collar employment and hiking the price for every American as they will be required to pay surcharges in order to "develop" the green energy -- but it won't be for their municpalities, it will be for the BP's, National Grids etc. to expand their delivery systems (or should I say, provide tax credits for these corps to either move in or to fund the construction or expansion of public facilities so these corps can continue to deliver purchased energy from other nations.

I am speaking from the perspective of an IBEW member -- my husband who has been taking classes in solar power. He is not optimistic. The authority will create it's own requirements more likely installers will not be any better skilled or paid than the cable guy and is not under the IBEW and will most likely just be organized under a technical subclassification. He sees our gov't selling off or privatizing the current and future energy infrastructure.-- just as they did the airwaves. All he has to say is guard your water sources.

[KharmaTrain]

18. There's No One Solution...

Full energy independence will require harnessing several forms to produce that energy and this is also what scares the corporates as they have so much invested in old technology and profit greatly from it. If there's a shortage, that's seen more as a business opportunity than a corporate failing...look at how the energy future markets go crazy when there's any blip in energy supplies. Thus it's most definitely in their interests to keep the status quo and tighten the screws even tighter where they can to maintain their control, wealth and power.

As we've seen with the fiancial bailout and healthcare, this administration tries to play all sides...catering to the corporates who inturn are doing all they can to sabotage any real negotiation or legislation. Unfortunately this means half-ass measures to help seed alternative energy companies while dragging out the energy woes to the profits of the major lobbyists and corporations. Somehow this is viewed as a win/win.

There's no doubt that a move to use government money to seed and give low cost loans to alternative energy corporations would excelerate not only the development and use of alternative energy sources but create jobs as well...but the corporate powers appear to have veto power over this concept.

Cheers...

[conscious evolution]

19. Lot of incorrect info here

Many companies in the US build solar panels and modules here.
No one knows how long panels last.I know of a system that has fifteen year old panels that produce more power than the nameplate ratings call for-Specs say 85 watts at 17.5 vdc.They are actually producing 90-105 watts @ 22 vdc.Fact is,no one knows how long panels can continue producing power.The twentyfive year number is usually how long the WARRANTY lasts.Barring physical damage from storms and such panels should last much longer due to the fact that they have no moving parts to wear out.
Dust has very little effect on power output.Even so,washing them once a year is as easy as washing windows and should be part of basic home maintainance.Other than a yearly wash down,there is no other maintainance required for the panels themselves.Moorings and anchoring systems may need checking but not the panels themselves.
You do have a point about undocumented labor use by unethical contractors.But then again,if the IBEW would get out of bed with the contractors and repukes (IBEW,iirc,backed bush)and tried to organize residential electricians then maybe they would make some headway in helping end the use of low wage and illegal workers.
True also that the manufacturing process is not as green as it could be-but then again,the oil,coal and nuke power industries are a lot worse.Once solar panels are built and installed,however,the pollution factor pretty much ends while the other power sources continue to do so for the life of the generating facility.

Btw,our power infrastructure is already privatized and heavily subsidized by the taxpayayers.

[eilen]

20. Are you sure about factories or are you thinking of distributers?

Can you tell me the names of the American companies that actually produce the solar panels in the US? There are a number of small manufacturers but the companies producing them on any major scale are mostly overseas. I only know of one that produces them on any significant scale stateside. When contractors are looking at their bottom line, they will ultimately go down the Silk Rd much as the drywallers and the garment companies did. The smaller manufacturers will end up being bought out, sucked dry and spit out by the oil companies (or their holding companies).

The efficiency of the solar panel does degrade over time. And as the technology increases, the replacement factor will increase the speed in which older panels hit the landfills, just as analog televisions and personal computers have.

The IBEW does have a program to organize residential electricians. However the solar panels will not necessarily be installed by electricians. While a once a year wash will be sufficient for some areas of the country, I happen to live in the Northeast where we experience several feet of snowfall per year. Your results on the 15 year panels may be more indicative of the amount of sunlight you receive. The ratings must take into account the actual performances under standard test conditions under which the specifications were made for (1000 watts per square meter at 25 degree Celsius).

The bottom line is I disagree with using taxpayer money to subsidize industry overseas. I am not opposed to solar energy, I just believe it is not ready, it is too expensive; solar module efficiencies are not high enough to be a cost effective means of power generation without large government subsidies of up to 50%. I happen to have a solar collector on the side of my house and while it helps, it is in no way sufficient to be relied upon. Here is a neat map of the current solar installations in the country: NPCP Solar Installation Map

Please note, this is not an opinion enjoyed by most members of the IBEW. Most are quite enthused and are very positive of the partnership of the NPCP and the IBEW. My dh sees the possibilities but is not hopeful that it will bring any kind of jobs boom and is distrustful of the president's "green energy" plan to ennervate the economy.

btw. The IBEW did not back Bush, they supported Al Gore, John Kerry and Barack Obama in the last 3 presidential elections. In fact, the brotherhood had spent many hours manning phone banks for Democrats, local and nationally. They endorsed Gore after the AFL-CIO vote, by polling their membership first. Nice of them to endorse a guy, who by the way, had already shafted Labor with NAFTA.

“We believe that this poll was
extremely important in giving our members
the opportunity to make their voices
heard,” said IBEW International President
J. J. Barry. “If we are to succeed in electing
a President and other officials in
November who will be sympathetic to
the cause of working people, it will take
a strong grass roots effort. That can only
happen if our members have a say in the
process. Based on the results our International
Officers have decided to concur
in the action of the AFL-CIO’s Convention
last October in supporting the candidacy
of Vice President Gore.”
IBEW Journal, January-February 2000

[kestrel91316]

23. Obama's stimulus has provided money for LOTS of jobs here in CA

and around the US doing energy retrofits and upgrades so we can improve energy efficiency. That much I do know.

[donheld]

22. k & R