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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 02:03 AM
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Reactionaries: The Enemies of a Free Society.
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 02:04 AM by 20score
Back in the year 2000 during the Bush Gore campaigns, I worked with someone who seemed to be a collection of right wing talking points, personified. There was never a minute spent during his life on introspection. If this person was ever asked, by anyone, to explain why he believed a particular platitude, the reaction was anger, followed by an ad hominem attack and possibly a joke. But an explanation was never forthcoming, no matter how respectfully the question was asked. This was illustrated by an argument we had about something going on in Southern California at the time.

There was a storeowner in Westminster, California, an area with many people of Vietnamese ancestry, who had displayed a picture of Ho Chi Minh and the flag of North Vietnam. There were protests and a bit of violence in the city. We both agreed the protesters should be allowed to march in the streets, the contention between us came when he said loudly that the “Cops should close the store and tear down the flag.” I thought it was just hyperbole and reminded him we live in a relatively free society and in a free society sometimes people have to live with other’s who have different opinions. He responded with, “How can I be free if I have to look at a flag like that!?” The stupidity of the statement floored me.

I’m using this person as example of reactionary thought. The Teabaggers who loudly protest against their own interests, people who push zero tolerance laws in elementary schools, those who see no limit to the percentage of people who should be incarcerated in the country, nor any limit to the length of incarceration, even for non-violent crimes – these groups of people are all using emotions, anger and fear, with no regard for long term consequences. In other words, reactionary thought. Even if it’s only in one area that a person is too angry to think things through, in that one area he or she is making a contribution to being a part of the problem, as they used to say.

For years reactionary thought has kept alive the ridiculous war on drugs, even to the point of denying sick people medicinal marijuana. It has helped to make the U.S. prison system far too crowded with non-violent offenders. And yes, the profit motive in filling our prisons is criminal in and of itself, but it would never be allowed if it weren’t for popular support.

The PATRIOT ACT, the Iraq War, support of torture, mandatory sentencing, all were enacted with the support of reactionaries, and all of those things, plus many more, had long term negative consequences.

It would be nice to have reasoned debate on each subject as it came up; whether it was healthcare, tax codes, banking regulations, trade policies, war, fossil fuel or immigration. It would go a long way to making our country a better place, and for a much longer time.

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punkin87 Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 02:32 AM
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1. If only! K & R
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:18 AM
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2. 1000+
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 03:18 AM by Froward69
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:54 AM
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7. Thank you. And the story you wrote was perfect. It was funny and sad at the same time.
To think that FDR was a conservative? Wow. What do you say to that?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:37 AM
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3. K & R number eleven.
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 03:37 AM by truedelphi
Assuming the power in my area is up long enough to get you rec'ced. (Heavy rain storms tonight.)
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:07 PM
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10. Here too.
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:42 AM
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4. BOOO Govt's that wiretap torture and warmonger! knr nt
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 03:43 AM by Union Yes
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:24 AM
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5. Thank you. Very nicely written.
Agreed--reactionaries are bad--they're like human stampedes and everyone's carrying scissors wrong.

Good luck on the "reasoned debate" thing with this Congress.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 09:47 AM
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8. Thanks much!
And that was funny!
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:39 AM
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6. I would only point out one thing
There are every bit as many reactionaries in the left as on the right.
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mudplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 06:44 PM
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22. Baloney
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mudplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 06:51 PM
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23. It took a lot more than a few reactionaires to enable
US foreign policy in Latin America, Asia, and Africa for the past forty years. Or, the definition of "reactionary" is now "mainstream."

The American public, by and large, is responsible for Ronald Reagan, George Bush, and everything associated with them, including wholesale, systematic torture and murder.

"I was following orders" and "I didn't know" just doesn't cut it. Besides, in my experience half of the people that I confronted about it over the years couldn't even use those excuses. They'd reply, "I think it's a good idea."
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 01:47 PM
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9. Very good 20score! K & R!
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 07:18 PM
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15. Thank you!
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:40 PM
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11. Highly rec. Same as they ever were-birchers, kkklansmen, et al
Same code words I heard hurled at my family in the sixties: "freedomom," "patriotism," "Christianity." You would think people would get wise by now.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:48 PM
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13. Thank you.
You would hope they would get wise, but memories seem to run short.

Look how some people have started to put McCarthy in a positive light again.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:54 PM
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14. I was absolutely stunned at the trying to rehabilitate McCarthy
After all these years, I thought I was beyond shock at these people. Then I heard Ann Coulter arguing that McCarthy had been right. That was when I realized there is nothing to which they will not stoop. No history they will not rewrite. Dumbing down our educational system so we have a population who does not know their history and swallows down the Fox News propaganda daily.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:56 PM
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12. When I think of reactionaries, I think of people I knew who listened to Rush all
Day long (Limbaugh, not the Band!)

They didn't vote for Kerry because Teresa Heinz Kerry was a bitch on wheels - and they KNEW this because the radio meister told them so.

The irony was that one of these people was just a step away from being on Social Security for Disabilities. He was born with Cerebral Palsy and had to practically crawl to work.

When his job ended due to loss of vision in one eye, he was amazed to find out how Bush's government was not that caring about him! (But who knows, maybe he found that to be Teresa Heinz's fault as well!)

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:20 PM
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16. 28. n/t
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 09:24 PM
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17. What about global warming deniers? Do they count as reactionaries?
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 10:39 PM
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18. Any time someone denies reality doesn't think things through.
So yes, they count.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 10:54 PM
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19. Great post,, 20score. Rec. nt
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bluestateboomer Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 11:16 PM
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20. K & R n/t
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 02:17 AM
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21. no disagreement here, except...most establishment Democrats are eager drug-warriors too
Edited on Mon Dec-14-09 02:19 AM by abq e streeter
and in fact a right wing/libertarian governor here in New Mexico went on a one man crusade against the drug war, and many of our state Democratic officials ( including the person who may very well be our next governor) fell all over themselves to denounce him for it. ( Although we do finally have a medicinal marijuana law here, advocated by, and signed by Gov. Richardson). These Democrats I referred to are not reactionaries but are the kind of gutless opportunists that are too often the people that rise to the top in mainstream politics. Everything else in your OP, I agree with 100%.
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