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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:28 PM Original message |
New treatment for soldiers with PTSD to be done by drill sergeants, positive thinking. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. That is not very nice to say. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I'm going to assume sarcasm in this case, until I hear something |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. The FACT is that once you raise your hand, more than any other situation you can think of, IT is no |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. You are incorrect. Every serviceman or woman is an individual, |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. It isn't malice. It is the truth that there ARE limits to what the command can do, depending upon |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. P.S. I do not hold with the contempt expressed in post #1 in this thread, but people Must stop kidd |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. P.P.S. My 2nd husband was part of the JAG's staff on Okinawa during VN. |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
90. I think it may be the other way around |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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JohnnyLib2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I flat disagree. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. I have children I helped to raise, in the military. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. deleted because I decided it wasn't worth a response |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
8. This is or should be a crime. |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
9. This is a very dangerous and completely ineffectual policy |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
10. yea sure, tell the obese not to eat...or a cancer victim to workout....the army is dumber than shit |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. It's not dumb; it's in denial. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. More magical quasi-religious thinking. "Works" only to a very limited extent. |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
12. my brother in-law self treated his PTSD with marijuana along with counselling |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
13. I never tire |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
14. This is a reversion back to the attitudes of WWI, when |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. A lot of combatants in WWI were actually pretty good about that |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. It was shell shock in WWI, then battle or combat fatigue #2. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. You're right. I had the terminology reversed. Thanks! |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
52. Yes it really is pitiful. |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
15. Drill sergeants rather than mental health specialists? FUBAR! |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Agreed. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
18. They should just shoot a few of these malingerers, like the British did |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Nope. Your sarcasm was clear, unlike that of the |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. I am glad that they are putting the fate of those damaged souls |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Not all DIs are monsters or even uncaring. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. You're right about the DI's sarge43. I had one that was a tough little SOB who about killed us |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Oops. self delete. |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Good 'ens and bad 'ens, just like everyone else. |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
19. Big K&R . Sad to hear about this new "treatment" for such a serious problem. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
26. More about Bryant Welch, Huff Post writer. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
29. Oh, good. The "Snap out it!", "Shape up, you maggot!" method of pschotherapy. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Oh!! We really need somekind of dark-humor rofl smilie for that one!!! |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. I'm reminded of Full Metal Jacket type Psychotherapy |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
53. It gets worse the longer it goes on. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
32. This is pathetic! |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
35. Barbara Ehrenreich would be so interested in this.... |
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jobendorfer (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
54. check out Jim Hillman's work |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Damn those factorials.... |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
40. They're using DRILL SERGEANTS to treat ptsd? |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. That IS the psycho-dynamic for a very functional reason. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
42. madfloridan.....for the first time since 2001 i`m ashamed to be here.... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. It is awful. It ruins the whole thread. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Note its similarity to the subject of the OP. It is the same thing as abusing others |
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
70. You got it |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
44. See, you don't need religion to brainwash people into denial. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
49. It's like abstinence only for grunts |
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Gman2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
50. They will be shortstopped, Told they are fine, and will snap, with deadly results |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
51. The irony of this is at the current tiome, the experts in neurology are starting to |
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Shallah Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
55. One psychologist wrote on HuffPost why she does not think it will help PTSD |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. That's a good article because it explains how war turns humans back into less than humans |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. From your link: |
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Shallah Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. The author of the above article has worked with veterans and other survivors |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Thanks for the link to the book. |
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Shallah Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. YW. |
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Shallah Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #64 |
78. also found an interview w/her on youtube |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:31 AM Response to Reply #55 |
83. Shalla Kali, You are right. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
59. The general(s) who thought up this bullshit should be facing a courts martial. This is beyond |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
71. I take it you don't know the stories, then. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. You don't use drill sergeants to treat medical conditions. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Preventative training to *avoid* injuries makes sense. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. That is not what it sounds like to me. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. See #80 |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #76 |
91. That's because it's not possible to train people not to develop PTSD. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 05:48 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Science says you're wrong, somewhat. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. No, I'm afraid your comments are useless against something called "reality" |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #71 |
75. No, I'd never heard that story. My reaction was to the use of DI's to treat PTSD as a |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:02 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. It cuts costs to avoid PTSD, rather than only treating it after occurance |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #71 |
79. That sounds like an interesting study. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Yes, there are similarities, and it depends on childhood, SES, etc. |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
63. They need to bring in the real mental health experts. Scientologists! |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
65. This can't end well. |
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Shallah Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
66. AP: Brain Scans Reveals Invisible Damage Of PTSD |
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
69. I hear this positivity |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
74. I have PTSD and this article makes me sick... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 06:22 AM Response to Reply #74 |
84. I, too, have childhood-related PTSD. Undiagnosed for 30 years. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I understand completely... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. No, the entire OP was not just about positive thinking. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 05:51 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. The DI assumption is an OpEd assumption. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
77. Combat PTSD and pop-psych quackery: What could possibly go wrong? |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #77 |
87. I think you are right. |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
86. Its scary to know these young men will be coming back into society untreated |
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BakedAtAMileHigh (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. THEY ALREADY ARE UNTREATED! |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 05:58 AM Response to Reply #86 |
94. BATTLEMIND |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 06:03 AM Response to Original message |
95. The gold standard is xanax. MDMA is also promising. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 06:07 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Those are post-trauma meds. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
98. interesting thread. |
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