Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

"the left doesn't want reform to fail; the right doesn't care"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:46 AM
Original message
"the left doesn't want reform to fail; the right doesn't care"
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_12/021442.php

LEVERAGE AND 'SOCIOPATHIC INDIFFERENCE'.... It seems as if we keep getting stuck in the same leverage loop on health care reform -- a handful of center-right Democrats and Republicans will kill health care reform if it includes a public option or Medicare expansion; progressive Democrats will kill health care reform if it doesn't include a public option or Medicare expansion.

To save this necessary legislation, the left is supposed to give in. Again. And why is it incumbent on liberals to concede? It's not because they're weak; it's because they care.

Can't liberals be just as stiff-necked as Lieberman? Sure, they could. But liberals members do have an incentive to compromise -- the tens of thousands of people who die every year for lack of health insurance. The leverage that Lieberman and other "centrists" have obtained on this issue (and on climate change) stems from a demonstrated willingness to embrace sociopathic indifference to the human cost of their actions.


http://www.urban.org/publications/411588.html

It's the leverage trump-card dynamic that's been apparent throughout the debate -- the left doesn't want reform to fail; the right doesn't care. The left knows that if reform falls apart, thousands will die and millions will struggle. The right knows the same thing, but is indifferent to preventing such a scenario.

For the left, failure is not an option, because the human, political, economic, and fiscal consequences are too severe. For the right, failure is entirely acceptable, if not preferable. Both sides know what the other side is thinking.

The result is less of a negotiation and more of a hostage standoff, with Joe Lieberman playing the role of the proverbial gunman who isn't bluffing. If progressive Dems refuse to pay the ransom, Lieberman pulls the trigger and we get to spend the next decade arguing over who's to blame for what happened, while the systemic problems get worse, the human suffering expands, and the status quo bankrupts businesses, states, and the federal government.


There was a thought, early on in the process, that Lieberman was blowing a lot of smoke, but when push came to shove, he didn't want to be known forever as the man who killed health care reform. That thought was wrong.

—Steve Benen
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:53 AM
Response to Original message
1. babylonsister, you score again with this one -- one of many that
you bring us.

That Washington Monthly excerpt is potent dynamite.

Thank you.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:00 AM
Response to Original message
2. "The right knows . . . but is indifferent"
But God forbid anyone point that out, or say it out loud, right to their smarmy, insipid faces. That would too partisan! And even though people are dying every day, that's nothing compared to the dreadful social consequences of noticing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:05 AM
Response to Original message
3. It is why Obama is going to take what he can get ... because even if it sucks compared to what
he or we would prefer, it will help millions of people.

It is also why it isn't impressive if and when the left/liberals (as Benen puts it) say they will be just as cut-throat as the centrists/RW'ers are regarding killing the bill - they would be acting like as huge of an asshole as the centrist/RW'ers are. That isn't impressive. It is just also callous and I certainly hope they wouldn't follow through on it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:10 AM
Response to Original message
4. Interesting take on the situation. Thanks for the post. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:16 AM
Response to Original message
5. "Less of a negotiation and more of a hostage standoff"
That quote is a keeper, and it's exactly how I feel. These people are literally taking the lives of millions hostage for a payoff from insurance companies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:22 AM
Response to Original message
6. Then, dammit, the left needs to skewer the right on this.....
Edited on Mon Dec-14-09 10:29 AM by marmar
.... tell Americans that the Republicans and, sadly, Blue Dogs and asshats like Lieberman don't give a frog's fat ass whether 47 million continue to go uninsured, and tens of millions more go underinsured.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. I feel your frustration and share it. But
who exactly will listen? Most Americans want results and don't want to hear about the details unfortunately.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 03:56 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC