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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:18 AM
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Well...now what?
The rich defeated the people on healthcare. Management has defeated(as of now)labor on EFCA.

We're still in Iraq.

Those that care about these things need to decide what we do.

Abstention in the fall of 2010 doesn't seem to make sense, though many of this party's elected officials are coming close to forfeiting the right to EXPECT support from us.

Primary challenges might be one option, but a huge amount of money and volunteers would be needed to dethrone enough DINO's(and electing progressives in their place in the fall)to break the roadblocks.

Initiatives might also be an approach, but it is difficult to get them on the ballot in many states.

Taking to the streets also has its merits, but new tactics are needed since the old "protest" methods don't seem to work anymore.

We need ideas, and we need them fast.

There has to be some way to recover from all of this and to reestablish energy and assert popular will.

This is a thread that seeks ideas, folks.

Please offer constructive ones if you have them.

We can't just leave things like this.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:19 AM
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1. I got nothin
I posted something very similar a couple hours ago. I have no idea where we go from here.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:21 AM
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2. I wish I had some great ideas...
Alas, I do not.

But hopefully someone will...

K&R

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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:25 AM
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3. Burn the rich for fuel, use their heirs as food n/t
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:27 AM
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19. I am feeling better already. nt
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:26 AM
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4. outright secession of county or state Dem parties from the main party? they'd take their phone banks
lists, midsize donors, and door-knockers with them

Kucinich can be the Tommy Douglas the New Dems rally around

just a 3rd-party hypothetical
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 06:02 AM
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27. i think that's the angle to look at - the county level. not the state, you're in DLC land for sure
at that level, i'd guess.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:08 PM
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33. since many mayoral votes are Dem-Dem (LA) or nonpartisan (Seattle's McGinn) they could endorse the
New/Progressive Party with low risk and high return (if they're lefties of course--Villaraigosa or Hahn or Newsom would be highly questionable additions)

we also have to erase the stigma on left-"liberal," "leftist," or "Marx"--and that's after 136 years of union-busting, two Red Scares, and 31 years of fanatic neoliberalism taking over the dominant discourse (it's even in Britannica!): postwar Latin American history and Marcuse should break the ice of Stalin-era hysteria and faith in US foreign policy's benevolence (all those dictators? just boo-boos or the best of two evils)
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:29 AM
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5. There needs to be a reconstituted Populist Movement to enact economic populism.
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 03:35 AM by Selatius
Run economic populists in Blue Dog/New Democrat districts. These economic populists need to have a platform and a voice that invokes the rhetoric and memory of FDR/Truman. FDR was called a hero of the working class, and he unambiguously won elections in landslides. Those kinds of Democrats are almost gone today, but they used to be able to win enough seats that they could support huge programs like the New Deal.

Today, with the constitution of the current Democratic caucus, you couldn't pass a New Deal again from scratch if you tried. Too many officeholders are on the dole from Wall Street and big business interests in general. While you're trying to eliminate corporate Democrats, the goal should be to get the ones, upon condition of material support, who are challenging incumbents to also agree to support the institution of publicly funded elections that are competitive with private sources of cash, a "robust" Public Option for elections.

If a robust Public Option for federal elections is in place, it may loosen up enough seats to allow for movement on substantive issues like infrastructure repair/maintenance, high speed mass transit, green energy, renegotiation of trade policy, pro-labor laws, environmental regulation, etc.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:36 AM
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7. +1 Exactly.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 06:00 AM
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26. you need an organization to "run" people. what are you going to use?


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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:19 AM
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28. Instant Runoff Voting is essential.
Everyone needs to institute this system on a County and State level... eventually to be a National law. If you don't know what it is... read up everyone. Then we need to secure our vote. That means abolishing the machines and going back to hand counts. Then we establish a Progressive Party. Then we need to start teachng Civics in high school. Make it mandatory. Everyone gets election days off. Make the HS Seniors/Honor kids count the vote and be poll monitors. Then get corporate money out of politics. Establish Campaign Financing rules. Public Financing only. Abolish corporate personhood. Break up the monopolies, tax the rich. Get out of the wars.

Everything else will fall in line after that...

:)


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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:31 AM
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6. We actually don't need them "fast."
The only solution, in my opinion, is to take back our world. This is actually not impossible to achieve, but we're not there yet. Whatever the answer is it has to be a mass answer. Not vigilantes breaking windows only to be confused as provocateurs (or, replaced by provocateurs.) The answer is mass strikes, social reorganization through strike committees. This, I believe, is the end goal. But we're not close to it. I'm all for third parties right now. I don't believe they are *the* solution, because even if they could get the votes, the rich would not let them effect change. Working in the democratic party has its merits too--agitation wise. I say, push everything to the left. Everything possible.

Protest is good; but we need to shut things down and reopen them on our terms. In the end, politicians don't run our democracy; we do. And if they won't run it for the people, we'll administer it without them.

In short, I believe revolution has more chance of becoming reality than "bipartisanship".

As Howard Zinn said on the History Channel last night: "Class war isn't something you 'advocate.' It's already happening."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:43 AM
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:50 AM
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9. You already know that "Rich" equals Insurance companies
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 04:01 AM by Raine
who made sure that there was nothing worthwhile in the monstrosity that is going to pass, you know that, you're just playing games. :silly: They also made sure that you're breaking the law if you don't buy their brand of bullshit "coverage".
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:52 AM
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10. You are entitled to your own cliches, but not your own Faux News bullshit spin
As the wealthy interests chewed away at healthcare, people became less and less enthused about it. If Obama and the Democrats had come out with a strong single-payer system, it's likely that the approval of their proposal would mirror the popularity of single-payer: roughly 60% of the population.

BTW, welcome to DU. Have fun deep-throating the corporate fatcats who don't give a shit about you during your hopefully short stay here.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:54 AM
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11. it is gone. again
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:12 AM
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16. It was here before?
What was it called THEN?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:24 AM
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18. I do
not know. But it's posting style was very familiar.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:01 AM
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21. Geez I was going to thank it
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 05:02 AM by azurnoir
for posting a set of polls that showed that as HCR became more and more watered down it got less and less support

who knows maybe we could keep it around for awhile like a pet you know house break it, teach it to fetch, pet it when it's good but we'll definitely have to get it neutered can't have it reproducing indiscriminately :P
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:31 AM
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20. ++++++++++1 nt
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:57 AM
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12. The current health care legislation is a corporate friendly profit protection bill for the insurance
industry. The OP did not say the rich defeated the people on the current legislation. It said they defeated the people on heath care. The rich did defeat the people on effective reform of the health care system. People are correct in opposing the current legislation. It's doesn't provide health care and it isnt reform and it is a mass transfer of money from working and middle class Americans to the criminal insurance cartels.
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:58 AM
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13. We can always....
move to a better country perhaps? Those who have the money, will and resources can anyways. It may even take a while but it would take less time than having to wait around for this country to get it's act together. This isn't a "if u dunt lyke it tehn u can git out!!11!" post, just throwing it out there.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:07 AM
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14. We;re going to spend too much time arguing about what to do and NOTHING will get done
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:07 AM
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15. My thoughts are the same
i wish I had an idea, but frankly I am so disgusted with the whole thing that I am considering just taking a long break. It doesn't seem to make any difference if we try or not. I am of the mood "vote, don't vote what difference does it make", "contribute to the party or campaigns, all you get is more letters and emails requesting more money telling you how important your support is to the cause", "write LTTE's about issues and you get some notice from friends or family, but nothing more", "call or email your reps and you sometimes get a canned response, but no real change".... You have to ask yourself... Just what's the point?

:banghead:
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:18 AM
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17. Do NOT stay at home. Do NOT despair. Do NOT sit out elections.

Granted, it's an uphill battle, but it's still up to us.

In the long run, people deserve their rulers - and we certainly deserve better than this, it's just a matter of time.

(It might take longer than our generation though. Still, we should not give up, roll over and play dead.)
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SchoolBoy Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:08 AM
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23. From the other POV:
Sh*t rolls down hill and trying to stop it can be both messy
and futile.

Come election time, politicians get their dues.

(It might take time to weed them all out, but we shouldn't
support bozos simply because we elected them the last time.)
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:38 AM
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25. Cleaning up our own shit is a vital and maybe noble endeavor in this case.
The other point of view is to sit home and despair. Not good enough and not worth hearing that point of view.

Something about your bozo comment is irritating.

"Come election time..." You don't wait for elections if you take responsibility for your democracy.
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SchoolBoy Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:34 AM
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30. You miss the point
The politicians are key to the solutions; they do the actual
work of producing public policy.  If we have the wrong
politicians, the work doesn't get done.  Supporting the wrong
guy; or supporting the right guy while he does the wrong
thing; doesn't get you moving forward.

Working to re-elect Democrats who are trying to defeat the
public health option if you yourself support the public option
is working against yourself.

'Our shit' refers the the politicians who are not performing.

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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 03:16 AM
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34. "actual work of producing public policy" much of HCR was written by industry
"Come election time, politicians get their dues." No, they get their dues by collecting money every day because it is either raise funds or lose the next election. Incumbents usually are pretty safe.

Unsolicited advice, if you don't want someone to miss the point, write more clearly.

Take the money out of the equation and maybe we can effect politicians' performance.

"Working to re-elect Democrats who are trying to defeat the public health option if you yourself support the public option is working against yourself." agreed


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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:06 AM
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22. Try this new twist on an old tactic- Peace of the Action to start in March '10
It's 1000 people turning out each week day while congress is in session- committed to civil resistance
with more than a high prospect of being arrested for civil disobedience. This action has the potential
to be a situation changer- It's the people gathering and speaking peacefully but with a strong will
and a goal- For many it's the troops home, for me it's larger- throwing a wrench into the Military
Industrial Complex- which is the big business collective that controls our lives- including bankers-
insurance co's etc...

Slowing DC to a grinding halt! Videographers and bloggers capturing the action and making it viral on
the internets.

Coincides with the 7th anniversary of our illegal war on the Iraqi people, with a big permitted march kicking
it off the weekend before.

Please check out the website for more cuz I'm off to work for a 12 hr day in the OR. But I plan a larger post on this
either tomorrow or this weekend.

Here's the site
http://peaceoftheaction.org/

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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:33 AM
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24. Mike McGinn in Seattle
We tried to warn the world with the WTO protests, but now (to answer the original post) everyone should check out the unlikely story of how we just elected a new Progressive mayor. Unknown, by far the least $$ of any of the main three contenders, but with a strong progressive viewpoint and a lot of great volunteers pushing his message. Check out The Stranger (our great progressive free weekly paper) who championed him early on, putting his face on their cover right before the primary. My point being ... it CAN be done. And it MUST be done !! These Blue Dogs ( and Republicans ) whining that any Health Care reform must be deficit neutral blah blah blah, but then don't think twice about limitlessly funding wars that cannot be won. Screw them ... boot their asses back to a cush lobbying job where they'll make more doing what they're doing now anyway (on our dime).
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:21 AM
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29. What I want to do is to deny them the use of my money.
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 07:23 AM by eomer
It is the product of our labor, our money, that the wealthy use to buy power.

What we need is a movement that lets us control how the product of our labor is used. Something like the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative">cooperatives movement. One example is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation">Mondragón Corporation in the Basque region.

If we all would buy only from businesses and work only for businesses that follow the principles of the cooperatives movement then the problem would be gone. This solution would not be fast, I'll grant, but I've gotten so pessimistic lately that I believe nothing less drastic will do any good. I've had enough of seeing my money used against me and want to find a way to deny it to them.

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maryinthemorn Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 08:13 AM
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31. Bernie Sanders Amendment for single payer is up today. Send Free fax.. here...
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 08:18 AM
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32. time to start putting the fear of gawd back. boycott co., make deposit runs on banks, &c
pop a few "precious allies" and leave a message as to why, and watch things change.

instead of boycotting only Wal*Mart (which is admirable...) target problematic corporations that are a bit more vulnerable. i'm thinking having an organized day to run on a particularly noisome bank; have as many protestors as you can, who have accounts in said bank, withdraw all at once. if they ask why, say, "because we're tired of playing games... please inform your CEO that he may want to start more negotiations on foreclosed homes."

or pick Mexico gov't as an insurance provider. have people go en masse to get Mexican visas so they can opt to pay into the Mexican health care system. if it's better than your current over-costed, outrageous deductible insurance, drop your provider and tell them that Mexico now has a better system. if they try to put bullshit provisions into HC bill in response, threaten to go ex-pat and brain drain this nation.

continue our "Buy Nothing for the Holidays from Big Box Stores" campaign. tell people why you do it. explain that yes, you're mad, no you are no longer interested in listening to "reason" -- you want positive action you want, and you want it now. act like a spoiled Veruca Salt, apparently that's the only language power now understands. time to be the squeaky wheel.

instead of buying people gifts for the holidays, offer to help pay off their debts and help them to the switch to cash only. starve the CC beast.

ideally i'd love a massive general strike. if we could get truckers and cars in general to just... park and lock out a whole city, that would be wonderful. but, perhaps we are too unorganized for such a thing right now. so let's practice small...

instead of having another "March of Washington" to be ignored, why don't we save all those travel $$, figure out its cost, and dump it on primaries with particularly vulnerable -- and wholly irredeemable -- Dems and/or Repubs. better yet, since we are quite good at research, let's find viable candidates to primary challenge districts we want change in.

if real civil disobedience, such as the student protests at California, are desired, let's commit to clogging a particularly noisome "red" county or district (instead of targeting DC every time), and run out their vulnerable coffers instead with police overtime and jail costs. states are truly vulnerable budget wise lately. if coordinated, and really, really pissed into civil disobedience, we can help push several states into the brink by massive protests in previously unlikely locations.

if you're really, really pissed, and want to metaphorically break some wallets during this time, there's many ways to do it. you just have to be creative and organized.
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 05:10 AM
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35. I've been warning about this since I got here in 2002
Those of you who have been here as long as I have remember articles I wrote like "Canary in the Mine" and "You Cannot Serve Two Masters". I spoke and screamed and yelled. I was even willing to give you the benefit of the doubt when I knew better. And at every turn, in every case, the warnings I gave -- the warnings some of you derided and attacked -- were shown to be warranted; the analysis was correct.

In my own way, and through my own means, I and others warned that this was going to happen -- that Obama was himself a corporatist. And we did so in rather blunt language borrowed from those who knew him best: his capitalist masters. Those three little words we used to describe him rippled through the progressive left and we caught a lot of hell as a result of it. But it has been a little over a year since then, and even saying "we told you so" doesn't suffice any more.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not happy to see what I'm seeing. I've been waiting for one of these politicians to prove me wrong for six years. Sadly, it hasn't happened. I'll be honest: If Obama was to make an about-face tomorrow and go the route suggested by Howard Dean, I'd probably be dancing for joy (mainly for personal reasons). But it's not going to happen.

At the end of last year, I wrote a document for the political organization I belong to that described the descent into corporatism that this country has gone through. The last two paragraphs of that section are, I think, appropriate to this discussion:

The 2008 contest for control of the White House was a thoroughly corporatist “election.” Both main candidates, Barack Obama and John McCain, represented the two competing wings of corporatism and signaled the end of the first phase of transition from the nominal American “democracy” that existed since 1865 to the new forms of capitalist rule. The vestiges of the old “democratic” coalition were atomized. The strategic differences that existed in 2000 and 2004 vaporized along with the remains of “democracy.”

With the corporatist consensus secured in its political representatives, a “free election” and “seamless transition” from “liberal” to “conservative” corporatism was possible, and the “historic” transfer of power, in the person of an African American president, would allow American capitalism to rebuild its political and economic power, solidify its cartel, expand its accumulation of resources and capital, and keep “democratic” opposition cowed, timid and ineffective. A new phase of capitalist development is opened. (http://www.workers-party.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=60">Our Perspective: The Rise of American Corporatism)


We summed up the lessons of this in the next section:

The last period has demonstrated in graphic detail the inability of the capitalists and petty bourgeoisie to do anything more than exacerbate the problems and intensify the contradictions gripping all of society. Any thought that these elements could effect any kind of fundamental change in society for the better has been all but wiped from the public consciousness.

The coming period, marked by the growing economic crisis and an inevitable “crisis of expectations” in the Obama regime, has the potential to spark a deep political crisis in American capitalist rule that could force into existence an objectively revolutionary situation. (http://www.workers-party.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=53&Itemid=61">Our Perspective: Our Tasks)


If we have seen anything over the last several months, it has been that "crisis of expectations" and it has carried over now into a broader political crisis. Increasingly, the anger and frustration people are experiencing is moving into a generalized disgust with the current methods and forms of American capitalist rule.

What can be done? The best way to answer that is to ask the question: What needs to be done?

The 2000 election marked a fundamental break with the democratic system that most of us grew up under. The unconstitutional coup d'état staged by Bush and his allies, and enabled by the Democratic-led Congress, pushed the question of democracy to the center stage. The actions of the Bush regime during its eight-year rule only exacerbated the question. And the first year of Obama's administration, which has seen him uphold virtually every point of the corporatist agenda, has only allowed the rot to deepen. What's worse, it exposed that this rot is not confined to simply the Republican Party or the faction of the ruling classes that support it.

This fact has done two things: On the one hand, it has destabilized the relative equilibrium the ruling classes thought they had accomplished with the selection of Obama as their chief executive. The plummeting level of popular support for Obama and the Congressional Democrats threatens to leave the entire American capitalist political system balancing on the head of a pin.

On the other hand, the exposure of the corporatist consensus among the ruling classes has created a vacuum of political direction among millions of people of all classes. It is not only the working class that feels this vacuum resulting from the corporatist policies of the Obama administration, it is the American public as a whole. Thus far, this has allowed the fascistic elements organized around the "Tea Party" movement to move from the fringes to the political mainstream.

What needs to be done is two things: First, we need to recognize that if there is to be a democratic renewal in this country, it is not going to come through the traditional organizations or movements. Democratic-minded people of all classes have been locked out of the two main parties, and have been left with the exhausted remnants of failed "third parties" (the Greens, Libertarians, Socialists, etc.) as relatively "acceptable" outlets. Second, we need to recognize that the outstanding democratic tasks that remain in the United States -- from restoration of the Bill of Rights to securing genuine democratic and social equality for all people -- will not come from those sections in power.

In this sense, the direction is clear. A new movement for democratic rights needs to be organized and built. And this movement should not be afraid of stating clearly that is goal is a democratic revolution to oust the corporatists and their backers from power.

The political roots of this movement reach back to the founding of this country, to the Declaration of Independence: "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Abraham Lincoln, in his first inaugural address, reaffirmed this revolutionary right: "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it."

Former Vice President Al Gore recognized this tacitly in his candid admission in New York Magazine in 2006: "There’s no intermediate step between a definitive Supreme Court decision and violent revolution."

The United States of America as we knew it was the product of two revolutions. The first (1775-1783) secured the country's place as an independent Union -- the First Republic. The second (1861-1877) secured the country's mission as a democratic Union -- the Second Republic. It will take a third revolution to secure the country's legacy and future as a Union of peace, freedom and justice -- a Third Republic.

Mother Jones said it best: "Don't mourn -- organize!" Organize a democratic movement for a Third Republic. No more lobbying or pressuring those who cannot be lobbied or pressured, but a real democratic renewal and resolving of the historic outstanding democratic tasks we all face.
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:13 AM
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40. P.S.:...
If you want to do anything other than tail what's going on in Washington, you need to make a break with pragmatism. Pragmatism is where good ideas go to die. Just remember that.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 05:24 AM
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36. Is it safe?
This is the reason why I sometimes like how politics is done in England, now is not the time to give up,
now is the time to turn the pressure on, you persevere.

Who was Chairman of the NSA since the Democrats took control of the the Senate and Congress?

Answer anyone?

Lets go from there.

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DeltaLitProf Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:07 AM
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37. REAL Campaign Finance Reform
Full public financing of all national political campaigns. ALL donations from corporations, unions or individual would be illegal. ALL PACS would be illegal. Requirements that the national media hand over free air time to all viable candidates.
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:14 AM
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38. seek all who are Left enough, start at Mayor level, look at Governors &
know that CONSTANT contact is required, or they quickly ignore us & pay attention to the ones who ARE there-the lobbyists.

Create a Middle Class Lobby. Simultaneously seek progress in all areas, keep in contact with each other & play to your own strengths.

Oh & one small thing: DIVIDED WE FALL.

Playing as a team is not just for the Republicans; time to recognize leaders see & 'get' a situation before the majority, learn to recognize them, reward those who have been correct, Blix, Ritter, Dean, etc. Network with them.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:16 AM
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39. It's going to get worse. Many people that showed up in the last election cycle
won't be there. I have no answers to a political party that commits suicide.
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