Why would Obama caved to joe

[warrior1]

just to lose his presidency he gets nothing? It doesn't make sense. I know some will say he's playing 11 Dimensional Chess, but I'm not buying this. None, I mean none of this makes sense.

[VMI Dem]

1. Reaching out. Post-partisanship. Governing everyone...not just the base.

Take your pick.

[maglatinavi]

8. pick

None ... amazed, hurt, disgusted and angry...:yoiks: :yoiks: :yoiks: :yoiks:

[CTyankee]

2. I am wondering that myself. So are a lot of people.

I keep thinking there is a master strategy here. Joe Biden referred to all the gamesmanship right before the passage of major legislation, so I think he was reminding us that stuff will and does happen...last minute compromises that we hadn't heard of before that were saved for the last, desperate minutes...it'll be some story, that's for sure...

[tekisui]

3. Democratic leadership has once again proven an elusive beast.

Who was once a powerful and popular president has shown a lack of leadership.

All that political capital lost for not being spent.

[fasttense]

4. I pick more of the same. n/t

[chandler2]

5. Maybe because of Joe's connections. nt

[saltpoint]

6. Lieberman is a man of fluid loyalties.

His Party denied him glory by choosing other Democrats well ahead of his candidacy in 2004 and now he's dangling them over the fire just because he can.

And FOX News and the Pukes love it.

This is all about Lieberman's ego. He knows the health insurance industry is massively influential and likely to prevail, given their almost unlimited resources for blocking meaningful reform. By riding that big show horse he becomes the most important player in Washington, a man to whom political deference must be shown. FOX analysts lick his balls on command. His wife hobnobs with corporate heavies. Reid and Obama must grovel at Joe's holy feet.

Lieberman's constituents should be reminded that members of their family who are ill and need and deserve assistance and support and coverage will not get it because Joe Lieberman's big fat ugly ego needing stroking.

[madokie]

7. Wheres this shit coming from?

sounds like out of someones ass to me

[maglatinavi]

9. obama

I am sure that Hillary would have had health care reform passed before Teddy died... I was a Hillary person and still believe she was the right choice... people were led by the sirens canticles... how sad!!! Obama lost his wind by trying to cater to the repugs...time, energy, $$$ wasted...
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[OHdem10]

10. I am beginning to believe the many Pundits who have concluded

Obama will take anything in order to have a "win".

Rahm: Having a deal is much more important than the substance
of the bill.

Some of you want to scalp Rahm. Remember no one will say
something a President has not approved--even if it is a
a wink and a nod.

[kenny blankenship]

11. Obama has foresworn using the cudgel of public opinion

He doesn't want to be seen as a demagogue. He got himself elected acting like he was the leader of a mass movement, but once in office he acts like all he ever wanted was membership in the country club. When the Health Care Rickroll debate began in Congress, there was majority support in public opinion polls for radical surgery on the the national health care "system". There was supermajority support for government run nonprofit public health care insurance, which was the centerpiece of Obama's campaign promises. Does he mobilize public opinion against obstructionist Senators? No he does not. Of course after sitting above the fray so long striking his Olympian poses, he couldn't very well begin to act now like he was leading a mob against the privileged of the Senate. No one would believe it. For one thing nobody is REAL CLEAR on Obama's commitment to the Obama Plan: mandates and no public option is the opposite of what he ran on. But that-the mobilizing of public anger against the Senate- would be one of his levers to get what he wants on HCR. The other weapon he has is to take away as many plums from Lieberman and Connecticut as possible. Strip Lieberman of his committee chairmanship, hack mercilessly at appropriations for Conn. in the next spending bill. He would need a partner in Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi for this. Is Reid a good partner? We don't know. We don't know that he's even been asked. If it looks like Obama is caving to Lieberman it's probably because he failed to prepare in advance for this kind of attack and doesn't have any plausible retaliatory capability.

[snagglepuss]

12. Excellent post. It counters the pom pom contingent's assertion's that Obama

was powerless to do more than he did. Ought to have a separate thread.:applause: