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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:48 PM
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Howard Dean: Kill The Senate Health Care Bill
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 03:50 PM by democracy1st
Howard Dean: “Kill The Senate Bill”




In a blow to the bill grinding through the Senate, Howard Dean bluntly called for the bill to be killed in a pre-recorded interview set to air later this afternoon, denouncing it as “the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate,” the reporter who conducted the interview tells me.

Dean said the removal of the Medicare buy-in made the bill not worth supporting, and urged Dem leaders to start over with the process of reconciliation in the interview, which is set to air at 5:50 PM today on Vermont Public Radio, political reporter Bob Kinzel confirms to me.

The gauntlet from Dean — whose voice on health care is well respsected among liberals — will energize those on the left who are mobilizing against the bill, and make it tougher for liberals to embrace the emerging proposal. In an excerpt Kinzel gave me, Dean says:

“This is essentially the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate. Honestly the best thing to do right now is kill the Senate bill, go back to the House, start the reconciliation process, where you only need 51 votes and it would be a much simpler bill.”

Kinzel added that Dean essentially said that if Democratic leaders cave into Joe Lieberman right now they’ll be left with a bill that’s not worth supporting.

Dean had previously endorsed the Medicare buy-in compromise without a public option, saying that the key question should be whether the bill contains enough “real reform” to be worthy of progressives’ support. Dean has apparently concluded that the “real reform” has been removed at Lieberman’s behest — which won’t make it easier for liberals to swallow the emerging compromise.




http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/howard-dean-kill-the-senate-bill/




Kill The Bill? Some Progressives Say Nothing Is Better Than Senate Health Care Bill


The Senate health care bill is so compromised, some progressives argue, that it would be better to try to kill it than fight for its passage.

In light of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's decision to give in to Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and agree to scrap a Medicare compromise, and with the public option already off the table, many ardent supporters of health care reform are giving up on the legislation.

Former presidential candidate Howard Dean said in a radio interview Tuesday that he agreed.

"This is essentially the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate," Dean said. "Honestly the best thing to do right now is kill the Senate bill, go back to the House, start the reconciliation process, where you only need 51 votes and it would be a much simpler bill."

"Insurance companies win. Time to kill this monstrosity coming out of the Senate," wrote DailyKos founder Markos Moulitas on his Twitter feed Monday night.

Darcy Burner, a beloved (but unsuccessful) progressive candidate for Congress in the past two elections and executive director of ProgressiveCongress.org, wrote in a blog post:



The first rule of medicine is, "Do no harm." The post-Joe Lieberman version of the Senate health care bill fails that basic criterion. Unless Democratic leadership steps up to fix this misguided proposal, our only recourse will be to kill it.

The fundamental failing of the newest Senate proposal is that it requires individuals to purchase health insurance, but does nothing to rein in what insurance companies charge. There is nothing to stop spiraling health costs from eating up an ever-increasing percentage of our national productivity.

The House bill has two major cost-control mechanisms: the public option and the 85% medical-loss ratio requirement. The Senate bill is on track to have neither, and nothing new to replace them. The Senate bill is a recipe for national disaster. If it's that bill or nothing, I prefer nothing.




At the progressive website Firedoglake, some still hope that the Senate will abandon Lieberman and pass reform with reconciliation. Blogger Gregg Levine wrote that it's time to just fight the legislation:

I say: Kill the bill.


I say this with a heavy heart. Failure to pass health care legislation, even terrible legislation, will be a great loss for the Obama administration and for Democrats in Congress. But passing a bill as bad as the Senate's eventual endpoint could be a bigger defeat for the Democratic majority we really want--one that takes progressive action on behalf of the voters.

Because, as I see it, a bill without the competitive force of a public option, or the opportunity for millions to buy into Medicare, without cheaper pharmaceuticals or meaningful controls on premiums, without bans on benefit caps or loophole-free safeguards against rescission, but with an individual mandate, will do nothing for the 30 million uninsured that advocates of the bill like to talk about helping--but it will do plenty for the private insurance and pharmaceutical industries.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/15/kill-the-bill-some-progre_n_392436.html
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:49 PM
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1. K & R
Tell them we`re done screwing the American people.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:58 PM
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2. This will be great, finally a way to kill off
the progressive wing of the Democratic party. Glad y'all want to take the blame for killing health care off of the republicans shoulders.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:13 PM
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3. Good for Dean ~
The whole thing has been a game from the beginning. First, Democrats, instead of coming out in January with National Health Care Bill to begin with, forcing opponents to bargain from a strong point which the public favored, they never even considered it, defeatist from the beginning.

From real Health Care Reform, to mumblings about a Public Option to lowering the Medicaire age to nothing for the people.

What they intended from the beginning was a windfall for the Private Insurance Industry and some of us were not fooled by the games they played.

If Lieberman can block a bill with something for some of the people in it, surely another Democrat can block HIS bill? Or is Lieberman all powerful while the rest of the Dems are completely powerless?
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:15 PM
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4. Yes, Howard Dean is correct
And this is pretty authoritative from a liberal like him, hard to argue with a guy like Dean, he knows his stuff when it comes to health care.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:15 PM
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5. Dean tells the truth.
And the truth pisses people off who survive on hate and fear.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:29 PM
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6. Dean rocks
I hope the lefties listen to him. He is usually right.
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:21 PM
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16. Dean sucks. The bill he suggests killing is an improvement on his own 2004 plan.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:31 PM
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7. Kick & Rec # 20
For Dr. Dean:)
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:34 PM
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8. What's left to kill? It's already been drowned in "compromises".
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:42 PM
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10. What's left to kill? A mandate for people to purchase overpriced, ineffective coverage from a crime
ridden industry. Because that is what's left.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:48 PM
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12. Of course, that will be labeled a "victory" and lauded by the apologists.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:10 PM
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15. Oh, no doubt. There will be justice for them when they start paying 25% of their
AGI in premiums for an insurance policy which caps their out of pocket expenses at $10,000. Of course, I don't expect many of the apologists are in the income brackets facing this eventuality.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:22 PM
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17. the apologists have already started on MSNBC
saw 2 washout spineless dems on there saying how woooonderrrful the bill is.

assholes.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:41 PM
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9. Do we have not one progressive in the Senate who will threaten a filibuster?
I know progressives look at '94 and see the loss of the Senate and House that resulted from the failure to pass health care reform in 93. But do none of them remember it was, by and large, the conservative Democrats who lost their races? I think we can hold the majorities even without passing this, especially if they get serious about job creation programs. Kill the bill. Run against the Republicans and their enablers in our own caucus. People respect lawmakers who fight for them even if they lose the fight.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:43 PM
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11. Kick nt
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:50 PM
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13. K&R
Kill the fucking piece of shit.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:51 PM
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14. The issue is settled for me. Let it sink!
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