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Tue Dec-15-09 04:04 PM
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Health Care Reform is DEAD. |
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No public option and no medicare expansion.
Anything else they come up with is NOT health care reform.
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:07 PM
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1. It's been dead for a long time - they never intended to give us access to health care |
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They finally reached a point where they couldn't pretend anymore. Though they picked a good moment - right before the holidays when everyone is busy.
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:08 PM
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They attempted Health INSURANCE reform, not health care reform.
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:08 PM
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It is just in pre-natal ICU.
We can keep it alive. Will we?
The Health Care corporations attempted to abort it again, but this time birth has happened, HCR is breathing just not able to survive on its own yet. Not dead. Almost....
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:09 PM
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4. Yup. That was the plan from Day One. |
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:09 PM
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5. Yeah, but Health Care TAXATION is alive and well! |
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Mandatory insurance premiums are a form of taxation.
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:12 PM
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6. Health Care Reform died a while ago. I'm pissed that Heatlh Insurance Reform is now dead |
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:13 PM
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7. Subsidized private insurance was reform in 2004 |
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When both Kerry and Dean proposed it. Why is it not reform now?
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:15 PM
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8. I'd have to look at their proposal in detail. I doubt it resembled the mess they're trying to foist |
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on us now. But, if it did I would have opposed that, too.
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:20 PM
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10. Other than the mandates, yes it does |
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It very closely resembles what they're passing now.
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:22 PM
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With all due respect, that is tantamount, IMHO, to guns are perfectly safe without the bullets nt |
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:50 PM
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15. I oppose the mandates, has Dean? |
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He has supported the bill with the mandates, so it's not a relevant issue at this time. But to oppose the subsidized insurance and call it a give-away to big insurance; when it's the exact thing he proposed 5 years ago, well that's just hypocritical political games, from all of them who are doing it.
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Tue Dec-15-09 11:06 PM
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21. Again, I'd need to see his proposal from 5 years ago. I am highly skeptical that this bill is the |
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exact thing he proposed 5 years ago. I'll look for information on that. Meanwhile, I'd welcome anything you have to substantiate that claim.
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:18 PM
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9. Because Kerry and Dean say it's not. |
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:21 PM
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I haven't heard that. And if they did, it would be because a public option and mandate are much more than they were proposing then.
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:27 PM
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:48 PM
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Other than Dean's rant about kill the bill. I don't see him saying he didn't propose subsidized private insurance in 2004.
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:57 PM
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16. Well, you are the only member on DU who can't see it. |
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Tue Dec-15-09 05:16 PM
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Show me where they both said they didn't propose subsidized insurance in 2004.
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Tue Dec-15-09 05:20 PM
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Tue Dec-15-09 05:23 PM
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:shrug:
I don't see anything in there where Kerry and Dean said they didn't propose subsidized private insurance in 2004.
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:22 PM
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12. It is my hope that there will be a large contingent of progressives who will oppose any bill now. |
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Let's not allow them to have a prize that should be a crime: forcing people to buy "for profit" health care"
This is a wicked thing.
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Tue Dec-15-09 04:58 PM
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17. Unless Sen. Burris makes it clear that he will not vote for cloture. |
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That seems to be the only way to recover anything.
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