Not even a rant ..... just a simple statement ...... I am really disgusted

[Stinky The Clown]

A Democratic president exhorting a Democratic congress to capitulate (compromise presupposes simple differences of opinions with the opposition) to the Repubican minority which is barely more than 1/3 of the Senate.

This no longer has any benefit for we little people. It is now simply about getting something done so some people can crow about accomplishments.

I don't even feel anger.

Just disgust.

[Raster]

1. KICK!

:kick:

[immoderate]

2. With you, Stinky. This is a disgrace!

--imm

[BeFree]

3. That's a change!!

Just two years ago anything the president wanted got ramrodded thru congress.

We got change, quit yer bitching.

[thunder rising]

7. Change from ramrod to keeping the ramrodded is not what I voted for.

[BeFree]

13. Oh

Gonna keep bitching are ya?

Look, we Dems are known for passiveness. We go along to get along... try hard not to get anybody upset. Be bipartisan. Why, we Dems have a great and unglorius history of making sure everyone is happy, especially the republicans. Yeah, we, the people, made them unhappy by voting them out, but our dear leaders are trying their best to correct that faux po.

[thunder rising]

31. Sorry, I'm one of those that cannot be made happy I guess. I'll try harder.

[Old Codger]

4. For Sure

Total abdication.....Completely fed up with our entire government.

[thunder rising]

5. Agreed! If the Republicans had this majority Iran would be a glass parking lot, every email

would be routed through Agent Mike, English would be the legal language, abortion outlawed and Christianity would be the state church.

But we can't even get HCR, EFCA or Cap and Trade.

I'm disgusted as well.

[Andronex]

97. I don't belive so...

if the republicans were in power things would be very much the same, the rhetoric would be different but the agenda would stay the same, presidents come and go but corporate and the banking interests never leave power. Who knows, maybe the republicans would be pushing for the "health bill" we have now and the democrats would be pretending to be against it, anything to make the American people believe we have a viable two party system when in reality both parties have sold out a long time ago.

[babylonsister]

6. This from McClatchy this a.m.:

as someone who is about to lose their medical insurance, I'll take it. And this is as of now; I have no idea what will happen once this goes to conference.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x58324


Among the areas of agreement:

_ Requiring most people to have a certain level of health care coverage. In the Senate bill, those who don't would pay a $750 penalty after 2016, up to a maximum of $2,250 per family. The House penalty is on a sliding scale, depending on income.

_ Helping those who have trouble paying for coverage. Both bills offer help to people who earn up to 400 percent of the poverty level, currently about $88,000 a year for a family of four.

_ Creating health insurance exchanges. Though the bills differ in how the exchanges would be set up, they agree that consumers would be able to shop for coverage and rates easily through the exchange, or marketplace. Exchanges would have to offer four kinds of plans, from basic to premium. Basic plans would cover 70 percent of the actuarial value of costs in the House version, 60 percent in the Senate bill.

_ Barring insurers from denying coverage or charging people more because of pre-existing conditions.

_ Ending separate rates because of gender, which now is allowed in most states. In addition, both bills would limit how much more an insurer could charge someone because of age.

[thunder rising]

8. Except the minimum coverage amounts to emergency room treatment.

[dflprincess]

10. "Requiring most people to have a certain level of health care coverage"

With no guarantee they'll have a certain level of access to health care.

Well, I guess the one thing Obama told the truth about was that he didn't care if he was one term president. But I'm sure his corporate pals will see he's well taken care of when he leaves "public" service.

[bertman]

34. I understand what you're saying, dflprincess, but I think the President is actually insuring

that he will get the corporate money and corporate support to be re-elected despite his failure to address the needs of the people who voted for him in hopes that he would be an agent of change.

Sad to say.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

38. Ding, ding, ding, Bertman n/t

[dflprincess]

43. But he will still need our votes again

and right now mine is looking real iffy.

I wonder what his slogan will be "Hope & change - really, I mean it this time"

[JDPriestly]

62. I'm looking at Kucinich right now. There's also Dean

and there are a couple of more people I would be interested in supporting if they ran. I will probably not support Obama in the primaries.

[FedUp_Queer]

121. Riiiiight.

Name the last time a primary challenger actually defeated an incumbent President. Reagan=Bush=Clinton=Bush=Obama. There have been a few changes that the corporations will "allow" us to have...because it really makes them no never mind. Other than that...can anyone actually tell me why I should vote? I HATE making that conclusion, and I never thought I'd get there, never in a million years. However, if we the people can't get it done with these huge majorities, when will it EVER be possible? Here's when...it won't. :(

[JDPriestly]

126. You have a good point, FedUp_Queer.

[xiamiam]

82. very good slogan...he said his presidency would be defined by health care reform

well..

[tnlefty]

89. "really, I mean it this time"

Thanks, I truly appreciate dark humor.

[MessiahRp]

111. Well he's going to need that corporate money because he's lost the support of the grass roots

He's going to take in far less in those small money internet donations next time and he's not going to have the foot soldiers to mount anything even closely resembling the 2008 campaign. So he better cozy the fuck up with those corporations so he can run a credible national campaign because otherwise the money and support just won't be there.

I think the left has finally come to grips with just how used we have been. We were blind to it during Clinton's run. We just blamed most of it on the Republican Congress and kept our partisan blinders on because the other side was so repulsive. But this time we had as big of majorities as we're going to get and needed some drastic pulls to the left on a lot of major issues to bring us back to normalcy after the extreme far right shift of the last 8 years and we got barely a tug from this White House. In fact I would argue on some issues, they pulled to the right again as if we weren't to the right enough.

It's clearly a corporatocracy now. Sure, there will be some blind Obama supporters like there are on this board. But he had better hope there's enough of them and center-right Dems to save his ass in November 2012 because there is going to be a large amount of liberals and progressives that will either vote 3rd party or not at all (more likely the scenario since the 3rd Party candidates are usually not known quantities that inspire a movement on their behalf... calling Dr. Dean).

Rp

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[JDPriestly]

61. That was the bill some time ago.

But this bill, for example, allows insurance companies to charge more because of age. Unclear whether it allows the companies to charge more for pre-existing conditions. The bill also allows the companies to make you pay a large deductible and co-pays. It will help you get insurance. It won't help you much if you are unemployed, have very little money and actually have to use the insurance. Not unless you are so indigent that you qualify for Medicaid. It's a bad bill. It's probably worse than no bill at this point -- and the attacks on the bill have not yet ended.

[Enthusiast]

67. And this makes it awfully

hard to get behind. If it was a decent compromise that would be one thing.

[JDPriestly]

125. Agree, Enthusiast

[Oldenuff]

65. by the time that the "Cavers" finally have a bill

that the Repubs will agree with,the following will likely be the only "change" that occurs here...and that is this:

_ Requiring most people to have a certain level of health care coverage. In the Senate bill, those who don't would pay a $750 penalty after 2016, up to a maximum of $2,250 per family. The House penalty is on a sliding scale, depending on income.

After all,anything more would require real change...and that is something that the Dems (cavers) can't seem to get done.(wouldn't want to upset the Health Care Industry would we?)

So,we effectively have a 2 party system,whose only interest seems to be to screw the hell out of their constituents.


I'm not only sickened..I'm pissed.(but not surprised oddly)

[tpsbmam]

94. 60%?

60% of a $125,000 bill is $75,000. That leaves the individual/family with a $50,000 debt. And on top of it they've been required by their government to pay probably high health insurance premiums to private corporations with CEO's that take home $400,000,000 a year. Oh yes, that's progress. :sarcasm:

[wurzel]

9. Nothing can be changed through the ballot box.

That is the clear message today. Now what?

[Freddie Stubbs]

12. The 2010 elections

[avaistheone1]

54. Depends on who counts the votes.

[Freddie Stubbs]

78. Mostly the same people who counted the votes in 2008

[goldcanyonaz]

81. Touche'

[FiveGoodMen]

14. Now what is right.

[wurzel]

20. What is in doubt here is not just the Democratic Party.

It is whether we have even the sham of a democracy left. These insurance, oil, drug companies, and banks are now so powerful they can openly show their contempt for the American people, the government, and the democracy itself.

[FiveGoodMen]

22. Exactly right.

They're doing less and less to fool us.

Instead, they're just saying, "Bend over; it's not up to you."

[CrispyQ]

29. This is the sad & tragic truth.

It's all a facade & anyone who still thinks we can make change by voting hasn't been paying attention.

[GreenArrow]

52. Yes, it's nothing but an in your face insult.

.

[peace frog]

71. You nailed it, wurzel

The powerful don't value we the people for anything except our tax dollars. They expect us to pay up, shut up and genuflect before their almighty omniscience.

[dysfunctional press]

48. it could be made worse...

and it's apparently going to have to get a WHOLE LOT WORSE before the people of this fucked up country are going to even want to think about possibly considering maybe someday standing up to the bullshit.

[valerief]

11. + 1 brazillion. nt

[Hello_Kitty]

15. The 39 GOP Senators represent less than 12% of the US population. eom

[BeFree]

19. Eh?

Minority representation rules?

Our biggest problem is just that. Money makes the difference.

We beat it by having more representatives in congress. One per every 30,000 citizens is what we started out with, now it's one rep for 600,000.

And why doesn't the dem party focus on those small states and get dem senators elected therein? Was that part of the 50 state strategy that Dean worked?

[sandnsea]

16. Remember that HELP Bill back in June

That PNHP and the left attacked and you jumped on board, attacking it too? And some of us said that we'd be lucky to get a public option, let alone single payer, and that we better stop attacking a good bill and rally behind it if we wanted any chance of real reform at all. Remember that?? And all you've done all year is bitch about everything, bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch... and lo and behold, nothing got accomplished!! It's quite shocking really. The world didn't flip on a coin just because you bitched.

[Stinky The Clown]

17. Gee ..... I never realized you saw me as that powerful.

Wow.

Maybe Obama will come exhort me to do something.

Ya think?





Lemme ask you .... ? You think this is a good development? You think we have had any sort of real leadership on health care? You think the Dems did all they could?

Gimme a break.

[saracat]

25. What idiocy.This was never going anywhere from the beginning.It was never intended to.

When Rahm's brother started outlining HCR policy and the single payer was removed from the table, there were no negotiating tools left, and that was the way it was meant to be.

[bertman]

35. You nailed it, saracat. nt

[Enthusiast]

68. I can come to no other conclusion. nt

[pollo poco]

96. exactly

The dems are not stupid or conciliatory, weak or incapable. They are good at what they do.
They work for the same people as the republicans.
They are paid to flap around and do nothing.
Barack Obama signed up for that, or he couldn't even have been on the ticket.

[KoKo]

104. And a few of them are practiced and seasoned "Back Stabbers" of their own, it would seem..

Dreadful. Making our party look like a bunch of fools over and over and over. And, we thought they just "lacked spine." The joke was on us...

[tomp]

92. perhaps the most convoluted logic i've ever seen on du. nt

[damntexdem]

21. It may do more harm than good, since it has a mandate.

Unless Sen. Burris threatens to support a filibuster, HCR appears to be dead.

[saracat]

23. And he can't hide behind congress anymore. They WILL give him what he wants.

[onestepforward]

24. Disgusted and heartbroken.

I really thought that after the defeat of repub. majority that we had a real chance to balance the scales somewhat between corporations and the American people.

Sadly, we are still the United States of Corporate America... written by the corporations, for the corporations and may the greediest get the most.

I have not given up, but I'm deeply saddened.

[branders seine]

26. They are either incompetent

or they are the enemy.

No other option exists.

:puke:

[Vermontgrown]

77. We have

options. You do realize that millions and millions off Americans want this bill to go through. Well then here we are, lets rally the troops. Shut down Washington...

[peacetalksforall]

85. My mantra has been that the baron-corporations have declared war on us. In truth,

they have declared war on the world. We are headed towards kings and serfs. Think about it - the U.S. leads the world - that's what they say. Well, the baron-corporations have succeeded so far in taking everything the founders said and using it as smoke and mirrors - WHILE - getting everyone in place that they needed - politicians, think tanks, foundations, military, media, reverends-rabbis-,mullahs, keepers of gold and magician investment bankers. To say that they are a mafia is better than saying that they are as orchestrated as the mafia.

The plan has been in place among a few for a century, but really formed in the 50's with growing batallions of enablers - facilitators.

I regret speaking like this, I don't want to disturb the peace of mind of those who haven't figured it out, yet.

We may be heading to a place where none of them 'pretend' anymore.

46 years of aggression, with 30% of the people totally brainwashed and supporting anything the predators do. xx% totally involved in serials sports shopping or music/games. Controlled media, mammoth databases, torture on the table, the kingdom of winners (thieves) taking all for a few. How many are left to care?

Will the DU poster from a year ago, please step forward and explain what you meant. You said - some of you won't be happy with some of the things Obama has to do, but ..... (I can't remember the rest) .... can you please repeat it? I want to play this all out in my head so that I can come to a conclusion.

The idea of cutting a deal to get something passed combined with our positions in Copenhagen, including threats related to Kyota and about five other announcements in the past 10 days are as scary as it gets.

I hope bombing Iran is not what Leiberman is negotiating for. I can't believe we even have to have a thought like this in our heads. But, we didn't make this up. We didn't invent this form of civil war on us.

[BadgerKid]

91. Re: Liebermann

> I hope bombing Iran is not what Leiberman is negotiating for.

That would be f'd up on several levels.

[Raine]

27. I'm hopeless and disallusioned

I don't see anything ever getting any better. :-(

[CrispyQ]

28. In 1980, I was so disgusted with the political process

& how the Iranian hostage crisis had been manipulated to put Reagan in office, I stopped voting for two decades. Know what? I'm even more disgusted right now. I told my husband this morning, "I'm having a 1980 moment!"

The base is royally pissed off & we are sick & fucking tired of our votes being taken for granted. When we complain about lack of progress on challenging the status quo, we are told to sit down & shut up. But come election time, they realize they need our votes to win & tell us that if we don't vote, or vote third party, & they lose, it will be our fault, not the fault of repub-lite dems who have betrayed our party values time & time again.

They can't have it both ways & I suspect they are about to find that out.

[Enthusiast]

72. Back in 1980

I shared your disgust. As with the election of 2000, the M$M didn't speak about the manipulation. And Iran-Contra has conveniently been lost to history.

We are being played on so many levels.

[Lerkfish]

30. happy to reccomend you, stinky!

[pleah]

32. I feel the same way. n/t

[MadMaddie]

33. Stinky you and I have had some tiffs in the past but

I totally agree with you.

Capitulating to Lieberwhore is beyond acceptable. Especially since Lieberwhore was supporting the Medicaire aspect of the bill. WTF?

[Stinky The Clown]

39. Maddie ....... tiffs aside .......

..... I bet we agree no less than 90% and maybe 99%. Really. I betcha.

:hi:

[MadMaddie]

58. That would be a fools bet!!

I you are right on the percentages!! :toast:

[Iwillnevergiveup]

41. Lieberman

is gonna run next time as a Republican now that he's made it clear he's prepared to trash everything Democrats seek to accomplish. In the near term, I want to see him stripped of his committee chairmanship and be persona non grata for his remaining "Independent" years in the Senate.

[bertman]

36. Me too, Stinky. Rec.

[Mira]

37. Disgustedly arriving to give recommendation number 100

[HughMoran]

40. just a nit pick - 41% is more than barely 1/3

& I didn't count Nelson and the other DINOs.

[ncteechur]

42. YOU FUCKING CANNOT COUNT! THEY HAVE 40+1 independent. That is a monkey wrench

[shadowknows69]

44. I'm done with our republic. I consider myself a refugee from an ideal

I plan on waiting out my probably few calendar page turns in as much drugged out ignorance as I can muster. I'm spent and I'll take myself out in my own time before this clusterfuck of a country succeeds in killing me with poverty and lack of health care.

[aaronbav]

50. Sadly, I'm there with you shadowknows69

I have become one of the "long term unemployed" and things are looking really GRIM now.

[Warren Stupidity]

45. I am fucking dis custard!

[TK421]

46. I am totally with you...I'm just too tired to feel anger at this point

disgust is just a miserable side-effect of this administration

I rec'd this post, though I rarely venture here from the lounge...this had to be said, you said it

thanks for having the balls to say it....:thumbsup:

[lonestarnot]

47. Reminds me of Charlie Brown's Christmas tree... Guess that means

you aren't going to start a riot of one? :evilgrin:

[Oldtimeralso]

49. k & r, proud to help the cause n/t

[defendandprotect]

51. It is self-delusion to think we can compromise with corporatism . . .

and self-delusion to try to ignore that corporatism has taken over our government,

our legislators -- and Congressional agenda!!!

When we finally do recognize corporatism, maybe then we'll start working on a Plan B????



PS: Owe you a smilie -- can't get them to come up --

[avaistheone1]

55. The corporatists have won. They are the ones running the country.

There is little pretense about it.

It certainly isn't about what the people want anymore.

[defendandprotect]

56. Evidently, many Democrats either don't know that still -- or want to ignore it -- ????

[girl_interrupted]

57. K&R

[RufusTFirefly]

59. I thought that was true but secretly hoped I was mistaken

Alas, the brazenness of health care debacle -- beginning with Baucus' muzzling of single-payer, continuing through to the president's deal with Big Pharma, and concluding with this week's spectacular crash-and-burn denouement -- forced me to actually come to terms with the reality of what I've been saying all along.

[defendandprotect]

75. Hope you read the Jane Hamsher comments on CORPORATISM... ???

[RufusTFirefly]

88. I hadn't, but I have now. Thanks!

I've been a "student" of the history of corporations for quite some time (ever since I read about the Business Plot and stumbled upon David Korten's book), a big fan of the work of Joel Bakan (including the movie version of his book by Mark Achbar and Jennifer Abbott), and a long-time Naomi Klein groupie. Friends and family used to roll their eyes at me when I'd start talking (ok, I'll admit it: ranting) about corporate dominance. But they've been listening a lot more these days.

[Angry Dragon]

53. Obama seems to have good ideas

but as a leader he lacks

[pundaint]

60. I'm not convinced. His actions do not match the words I hear. He looks good,

speaks well, but he hires the people who caused the problems to help solve the problems. This means that either he thinks the people he hired were acting disingenuously in their previous official capacities, which is a strange hiring criteria, or he thinks these people are going to change, which is just stupid, or he's a scared little boy hoping the grownups will help get him through this, or he is a cynical lying son of a bitch, who has conned many of us. I don't know which it is, I only know his job performance is unacceptable. B+ my ass!

I don't have any alternatives left which will leave me any respect for this horrible sell-out of a president. But then I only consider the actions once they get elected.

[elleng]

63. Unfortunately Dems can't get their act(s) together

sufficiently to have something about which to capitulate.

[progressoid]

64. Repubican minority which is barely more than 1/3 of the Senate? ?

I wish. looks like only 1/3 of the Senate is Democratic.

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[bowens43]

69. I agree completely. Obama is NOT a leader.

He is not the man that I thought he was. I am sickened by his lack of commitment.

[closeupready]

87. Correct. He is not.

I'm not sure if that's a reflection of his inexperience or what, but he is clearly not a leader.

[sandyj999]

70. Kick!

[geckosfeet]

73. Only partially true/accurate.

It is now simply about getting something done so some people can crow about accomplishments.

I would argue it's primary goal has been morphed into a method of creating a large new market segment for the insurance companies. They (insurance companies) have not only won, they have dictated their business and marketing principles into a congressional bill.

Quite an amazing thing to watch actually.

[tomp]

agreed. nt

[tomp]

93. agreed. nt

[Cass]

74. You hit it on the head, and I am disgusted by it all as well.

What is the point of working so hard for democratic majorities in congress and the WH if this is how they act when they get it?

[Ganja Ninja]

76. Yup.

I'm beyond scratching my head and asking why.

[varelse]

79. Same here, and for me, disgust is usually accompanied by apathy

Must not give in to the apathy...

[freddie mertz]

80. I tossed out my Obama posters today.

Time to clean house.

It was a lovely dream.

Too bad it ended so quickly, and so badly.

[xiamiam]

83. one thing obama has accomplished...common folk repubs and dems agreeing

my repub aunt and i have never agreed on anything politically...we agree about the corporations taking over the country and this bs sham of a health care bill...never thought i would see the day

[lunatica]

84. short and to the point

I agree with you.

[closeupready]

86. Yes that is exactly what it is about. Obama wants something, ANYTHING, called 'health care reform'

which he can point to and say, 'see? I signed health care reform!'

Pathetic. Almost a parody of this entire process, a mockery really.

[Turk 182]

90. Our new slogan

I think the Dems should just borrow the words of the immortal Pogo:
"We have met the enemy, and they is us"!

[igfoth]

95. I have Given Up On America

If the Spineless Dems can't get Real HC Reform passed instead of the BS we are going to get stuck what is the point of even staying in America any more?

This is not the America I want to be part of any more.

Endless senseless wars and spinless leaders who don't give a crap, all they care about is lining their own pockets.

I used to like this country now I am embaressed to even say I am from here.

I blame much of the HC failure of Obama and his naïve notion that he could even work with Pub Swine, and that useless lump Reid is another who gets much of the blame too, he is and always has been a DINO.

On day one Obama should have given them the finger and told them to piss off instead of kissing their fat backsides, watering down HC and getting nothing in return from them.

Obama has LOST My Vote and now I am leaving as soon as I can before it is too late.

[krabigirl]

107. I agree.

I'm looking into moving to France with my DH. Not sure how well I'd do there, but it's for my kids. Screw this place.

[treestar]

98. That is overwrought, not a bit of an accurate statement

You sound just like a right winger (from the opposite view) saying it is the doom and gloom of communism and the beginning of the end of freedom on this country.

[igfoth]

99. America's Down Fall Started With Rancid Ronnie

and the GOP's War on America this country has been going down hill ever since.

If you think Milktoast Reid and Obama are going to suddenly get their act together then please share what you are somking cuz I could sure use it!

Face it the people are getting the scraps.

[treestar]

103. Try finding a right wing nut

And hear what they think of it. We're going down to doom and communism! The marxists have won! :scared:

[igfoth]

109. Wingnuts are Giddy with Jumping Joe

and the 12 Blue Dogs.

Try finding a wingnut who is not jumping for joy over the garbage that will become HC reform.

I for one would rather see the Dems as a minorty party with real libs and progressives instead of all the Red State Blue Dogs.

Dennis Kucinich
Alan Grayson
Howard Dean
Al Franken
Joe Sestak

Are the future of the party, libs and progressives who stand up and fight for America!

If people really want change then first the Dems need to clean house and that means ALL the anti-choice Blue Dogs have got to go.

[treestar]

124. Right. Wingnuts are happy with all that socialist regulation

The mandates would drive the wingnuts even crazier. The incursions on their freedom!

[femrap]

100. I would think that

more people would be feeling BETRAYED.

The Corporations own the WH and Congress. A few good Dems are out there but they can't do it alone. Call Senators now...! Tell them of your disgust.

Think I'll go give Voinovich some shit.

eta: Got right through. Gee it feels good to tell him that he has blood on his hands as he watches The Former Middle Class die without adequate medical care. I closed with 'I would rather live in France.' That always pisses off the Repugnants.

[Butch350]

101. So.

[kestrel91316]

102. Don't get angry, Stinky. Get busy. Your rants are famous for a reason.

Help us sway the Dems back in line with what is good and right.

SINGLE. PAYER. NOW.

MEDICAL CARE FOR ALL. NOW.

[dpbrown]

105. This bill is a disgrace

No cost controls, no competition. Just mandates. A handout to the very industry that's kept us at 34th in the world in health. Disgusting.

[krabigirl]

106. Why do Dems always bend over for the GOP?!?! I can't stand Repukes...

maybe we should elect some Dems with the balls to NOT compromise with the other side. Wasn't 8 years of right-wing rule enough?!??!

[Andronex]

108. The thing is...

the democrats would only need to pass a real health care bill and wind down the wars and they would stay in power for the next generation no matter what, they don't because this is not about democrats or republicans...

[pissedoff01]

110. Very accurate description of the Obama administration

Disgusting and sad.

[juajen]

112. I have to agree. They have taken out, IMHO, the most important

parts. I no longer agree that something is better than nothing. I believe Sir Howard is right.

[SemperEadem]

113. I agree...

I think all Dems who are in the pockets of the insurance whores should be on notice that their pink slips will be shoved down their throats on November 2010.

[emilyg]

114. kick

[Goldstein1984]

115. I'm with Stinky

Very succinct. I'm calling my one-term Democrat Senator and asking him to oppose the bill.

I'm calling my adopted senator, Bernie Sanders, to say the same thing.

[Auggie]

116. K&R

[David Zephyr]

117. Yep!

!

[Blue Owl]

118. Nobody does failure quite like the Dems

Sometimes it's just like they WANT to fail. Failure has become an addiction.

All the caving, compromising, and backstabbing going on while our country spins out of control is really like watching a slow-motion train wreck.

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[Divine Discontent]

120. don't worry Stinky, there's a HECK of a lot more of US that feel this way than the couple dozen that

treat him with kid gloves.

We were used, and wall st & corporate america love this guy! Not to mention the problems with warfare, civil liberties and rights for all, and the health care debacle.


He's ruining the chances for a Dem majority in Congress because he thought compromising with the right wing loons who got us into this mess would make things work smoother! Wrong headed!

[CrunchMaster]

122. Your politicians are being bought/blackmailed by the shadow government

Demand 9/11 and the perps that allowed it to go down be rounded up and prosecuted. You're wasting your time hoping for change when it is obvious that Obama is bought, threatened and controlled by the same rightwing fanatics that brought you 9/11 so they could false flag the USA into going along with a war in Iraq. When are people going to wake up???

[Jefferson23]

123. I am very angry Stinky, and please everyone, email Obama today and tell him

the same. It couldn't hurt for him to find out he is being flooded with emails pointing the finger at him.